Defeat SOPA

4cylndrfury wrote: Joe Senator says in his campaigning "I are not a krook - I wan halp you to haz more monies! I can haz ur vote?" After careful consideration and comparison to the other choices for the office, I determine Joe "can haz mah vote" Joe is winnar!!! Wooot!!! Joe then acts in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO the platform on which he campaigned. Who in this scenario deserves what? Im pretty sure that I deserve the candidate I voted for, not the shallow representation of a public servant he turned out to be. Its pretty naive to think that everyone does what they say they are going to. But I guess thats just shame on me for thinking this guy would do what I elected him to...silly american...

After five years of working with lobbyists in DC, my opinion is that our two party system is effectively a two family mafia. The elected either toe the party line in the hopes of becoming a made man or become outsider with no voice, no power and a target on their back. No matter how idealistic a junior Rep or rookie Senator may be, there is no way for them to be productive or have any influence whatsoever unless they become part of the system, playing ball with the big boys.

ThePhranc wrote: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/chris-dodd-sopa-blackout-is-an-abuse-of-power/#disqus_thread

Thanks. I needed a new picture for the dart board.

Facebook should have blacked out for a day then the government would have really been let know what the people think.

4cylndrfury wrote: People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. ...*Im just sayin...*

...and I'm just agreein'...

nderwater wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote: Joe Senator says in his campaigning "I are not a krook - I wan halp you to haz more monies! I can haz ur vote?" After careful consideration and comparison to the other choices for the office, I determine Joe "can haz mah vote" Joe is winnar!!! Wooot!!! Joe then acts in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO the platform on which he campaigned. Who in this scenario deserves what? Im pretty sure that I deserve the candidate I voted for, not the shallow representation of a public servant he turned out to be. Its pretty naive to think that everyone does what they say they are going to. But I guess thats just shame on me for thinking this guy would do what I elected him to...silly american...

After five years of working with lobbyists in DC, my opinion is that our two party system is effectively a two family mafia. The elected either toe the party line in the hopes of becoming a made man or become outsider with no voice, no power and a target on their back. No matter how idealistic a junior Rep or rookie Senator may be, there is no way for them to be productive or have any influence whatsoever unless they become part of the system, playing ball with the big boys.

2 party system:

• is designed to keep you focused on the wrongness of the other guys, vs the level/lack of right-ness of the direction the country is headed
• allows only "Right and Wrong" - no room for gray area (discussion)
• keeps the "odds in the houses favor" - its harder for special interests to buy someones ideology if theres several to choose from - having only 2 means they have a 50/50 shot at owning a vote
• does not work

This has been another been saying this for years moment brought to you by 4CF Industries

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madmallard wrote: I wonder if our 'handlers' understand the difference between who's in charge, and who's running things. ^_^

This is very Fight Club of you MadMallard. I'm proud to have read it.

Tyler Durden in Fight Club said: We do your laundry, cook your food, and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances. Do not berkeley with us.

In reply to Xceler8x:

just because i'm wordy and waxing doesn't mean i tunnel view the particular topic i'm talking about. ;p

And to be clear, In the same example of the expensive textbook, i suffer the same indignation at high prices. I'm probably one of the cheapest bast~ you'll meet, but its just that my indignity ends when I realise that its not my book, and i don't have to buy it. The more i think i --have-- to buy it, the less responsible i become for the choices that led me to the choice of buying it or not.

Xceler8x wrote:

madmallard wrote: I wonder if our 'handlers' understand the difference between who's in charge, and who's running things. ^_^

This is very Fight Club of you MadMallard. I'm proud to have read it.

Tyler Durden in Fight Club said: We do your laundry, cook your food, and serve you dinner. We guard you while you sleep. We drive your ambulances. Do not berkeley with us.

...i... ann... iinn... ff... nnyin...
[voiceover] With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only in vowels.

[Tyler removes the gun from the Narrator's mouth]
I can't think of anything.
[voiceover] For a second I totally forgot about Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing and I wonder how clean that gun is.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

ThePhranc wrote: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/chris-dodd-sopa-blackout-is-an-abuse-of-power/#disqus_thread

Thanks. I needed a new picture for the dart board.

If a pic a Dodd wasn't already on your dart board, u faled a long time ago.

In reply to madmallard:

(troll) Right. You can pirate it. (/troll)

My indignation with text books at the university level stems from the fact that my university never had a copy of the text book I needed in the library.

That is pretty much the fix for that issue right there. Have 2-3 copies on hand in the library that nobody can remove from the building. Want to study? Hit the library. Save money.

Yay!

I'm the libbiest lib that's ever libbed as far as many people who know me are concerned... and Chris Dodd and any other Democrat who supports these bills can EABOD and DIAF.

However, as far as I'm concerned, this isn't as partisan an issue as some people make it out to be. D or R, most of SOPA's/PIPA's supporters are being paid massive amounts of campaign money by Big Media (MPAA, RIAA, etc.). There are plenty of other industries contributing brib... I mean, campaign money, to these polichickens as well. Industries that would benefit from the massive court tie-ups and stifled competition the bills would bring, like Big Pharma, the legal business, corporate lobbyists like the US Chamber of Commerce, and for-profit prisons.

Perhaps most telling is that during the hearings, many of the bills' supporters claimed not to be tech experts, did not consult them, and were even proud of those facts.

RexSeven wrote: I'm the libbiest lib that's ever libbed as far as many people who know me are concerned... and Chris Dodd and any other Democrat who supports these bills can EABOD and DIAF. However, as far as I'm concerned, this isn't as partisan an issue as some people make it out to be. D or R, most of SOPA's/PIPA's supporters are being paid massive amounts of campaign money by Big Media (MPAA, RIAA, etc.). There are plenty of other industries contributing brib... I mean, campaign money, to these polichickens as well. Industries that would benefit from the massive court tie-ups and stifled competition the bills would bring, like Big Pharma, the legal business, corporate lobbyists like the US Chamber of Commerce, and for-profit prisons. Perhaps most telling is that during the hearings, many of the bills' supporters claimed not to be tech experts, did not consult them, and were even proud of those facts.

Dodd is the Ceo and chairman of the motion picture assoc of America. Thats how corrupt this issue is.

So the day after a mass protest, the FBI go and shut down Megavideo & Megaupload. Sounds like retaliatory muscle-flexing to me.

I don't understand how this is even possible. They shut down a Hong Kong-based site by arresting all its execs in New Zealand. Overstep your bounds much?

I have distributed perfectly legitimate files to which I have 100% of the distribution rights over Megaupload in the past, so now in a way the US government has just infringed MY free speech even though I'm not a citizen or affiliated with the country in anyway. Thanks, shiny happy people.

You guys over there need to reign in your "representatives" - possibly with piano wire - quick, before they screw everything for everyone.

If this keeps up we are looking, RIGHT NOW, at the end of the internet as we know it. In five years we'll all be logging on to Sonynet and only being allowed to view (buy) 100% "approved" content, which is fed by an "approved" source and says "approved" things with an "approved" editorial slant. Everything will be locked into "regions" based on tired old geographical boundaries, nothing will be free, and YOU certainly won't be able to publish anything yourself. All the content you take for granted today will be NLA and nothing more like it will be allowed to be made. There will be no more independent games, music, movies, Craigslist, blogs, webcomics, certainly independent magazines, message boards, Wikipedia, and hell, probably even small businesses. Some "future."

Ladies and gentlemen of the United States, I know you don't want this any more than anybody else does. It's YOUR legislators who are leading the stampede back to feudalism, and YOUR corporations who are paying them to do so. Do something.

Thank you. I'll get off the soapbox now.

And in retaliation, Anonymous leaked Chris Dodd's contact info, as well as launched DDoS attacks against the RIAA and multiple other sites, including the FB-motherberkeleying-I.

"Begun, the Internet Wars have."

I know Anonymous isn't doing any lasting damage attacking what are essentially brochure/propaganda sites, but they're sticking their collective wieners into the hornet's nest with DDoSing the FBI's homepage.

Damn. Anonymous can be real chumps sometimes, but when you really do need some prime E36 M3 disturbed they are motherberkeleying there. Good on them.

Let's hope we don't see even more "arrests" from this though.

Jay wrote: Damn. Anonymous can be real chumps sometimes, but when you really do need some prime E36 M3 disturbed *they are motherberkeleying there.* Good on them. Let's hope we don't see even *more* "arrests" from this though.

I hate anon 99% of the time but that 1% they really get it right. Like when they busted up a kiddy porn ring. How ever I will never forgive them taking down the PSN. Never....

Jay wrote: If this keeps up we are looking, RIGHT NOW, at *the end of the internet as we know it.* In five years we'll all be logging on to Sonynet and only being allowed to view (buy) 100% "approved" content, which is fed by an "approved" source and says "approved" things with an "approved" editorial slant. Everything will be locked into "regions" based on tired old geographical boundaries, nothing will be free, and YOU certainly won't be able to publish anything *yourself.* All the content you take for granted today will be NLA and nothing more like it will be allowed to be made. There will be no more independent games, music, movies, Craigslist, blogs, webcomics, certainly independent magazines, message boards, Wikipedia, and hell, probably even small businesses. Some "future." Ladies and gentlemen of the United States, I know you don't want this any more than anybody else does. It's YOUR legislators who are leading the stampede back to feudalism, and YOUR corporations who are paying them to do so. *Do something.* Thank you. I'll get off the soapbox now.

Mmmm... Sony is a Japanese company which happens to own some US companies. Regardless, I agree with you: it still ain't right. SOPA is like a meat axe when a scalpel is all that's needed.

On that subject, mark my words: SOPA will fail no matter what, but it will be replaced by a less intrusive version that will sail right through. And THAT is the version the sponsors REALLY wanted.

Curmudgeon wrote: Mmmm... Sony is a Japanese company which happens to own some US companies. [...]

Oops, true. But they're not a bad choice of villain anyway. You generally need to be a citizen of a country to vote for its lawmakers, but you certainly don't if you just want to pay them to do your bidding.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

DaewooOfDeath wrote: We have a means. It's called voting.

Voting requires an educated populace and a field of candidates who are not repaying debts to contributors rather than representing the constituents.

Bold one would take care of bold two. Like i said, we're the problem, not the elites.

4cylndrfury wrote:

DaewooOfDeath wrote: We have a means. It's called voting. It's kind of cynical to say this, but in a democracy, we get exactly what we deserve for leadership, which is why I find all the "stop the man" rhetoric pretty naive.

WRONG Joe Senator says in his campaigning "I are not a krook - I wan halp you to haz more monies! I can haz ur vote?" After careful consideration and comparison to the other choices for the office, I determine Joe "can haz mah vote" Joe is winnar!!! Wooot!!! Joe then acts in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO the platform on which he campaigned. Who in this scenario deserves what? Im pretty sure that I deserve the candidate I voted for, not the shallow representation of a public servant he turned out to be. Its pretty naive to think that everyone does what they say they are going to. But I guess thats just shame on me for thinking this guy would do what I elected him to...silly american...

If the voters are too stupid to stop this, and they appear to be, who is at fault? In a democracy we voters are the boss and the politicians are our employees. Yes, some employees lie, cheat and steal. Intelligent bosses fire those people.

What kind of a boss are we?

Statistically, we are bosses who want our employees to make the government smaller while making government programs larger. We want our employees to stop pork but bring more pork to our district. We want our employees to compromise and then go on RINO hunts. We want the government out of our Medicare. We want our employees to keep the government out of business while simultaneously reigning in the fat cats. We want lower taxes, more benefits and a lower deficit.

This ^ is pure idiocy. It is also what poll after poll after poll shows we in the public demand.

Pretend you're a politician, how on earth are you supposed to do the will of people like us? If I were a Senator, I would lie relentlessly because there's really no other way to behave rationally in the face of so much public delusion.

Brett_Murphy wrote: In reply to madmallard: (troll) Right. You can pirate it. (/troll) My indignation with text books at the university level stems from the fact that my university never had a copy of the text book I needed in the library. That is pretty much the fix for that issue right there. Have 2-3 copies on hand in the library that nobody can remove from the building. Want to study? Hit the library. Save money. Yay!

I wonder how the SOPA authors decided that libraries are okay (think of all the money those book borrowers and copiers aren't giving to publishers) but piratebay.org isn't.

nderwater wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote: Joe Senator says in his campaigning "I are not a krook - I wan halp you to haz more monies! I can haz ur vote?" After careful consideration and comparison to the other choices for the office, I determine Joe "can haz mah vote" Joe is winnar!!! Wooot!!! Joe then acts in DIRECT OPPOSITION TO the platform on which he campaigned. Who in this scenario deserves what? Im pretty sure that I deserve the candidate I voted for, not the shallow representation of a public servant he turned out to be. Its pretty naive to think that everyone does what they say they are going to. But I guess thats just shame on me for thinking this guy would do what I elected him to...silly american...

After five years of working with lobbyists in DC, my opinion is that our two party system is effectively a two family mafia. The elected either toe the party line in the hopes of becoming a made man or become outsider with no voice, no power and a target on their back. No matter how idealistic a junior Rep or rookie Senator may be, there is no way for them to be productive or have any influence whatsoever unless they become part of the system, playing ball with the big boys.

What amazes me is the reaction every time that this comes to light. Instead of simply voting for a 3rd party candidate, rather than the parties which constantly and continuously screw voters, most voters apply the logic that "Well my vote is wasted on a 3rd party candidate." I cannot believe that the Republicans and Democrats have actually ingrained it into the heads of the voters that a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote when major players like Perot did so well in the polling just prior to the debates when the media turned up the no 3rd party dial.

I suppose you find this type of idiocy with our system all the time. Most of the mouth pieces on the news are reporting that Romney has already run away with the GOP nomination. Sure he did, you know because as of 2:30am on 1/20 he has 14 pledged delegates and 11 unpledged delagates out of 1,191 required to win the nomination. So congratulations Candidate Romney you have 2.1% of the votes needed to win! Only 1166 to go!

Why do voters fall for this E36 M3?

I had a SOPA point to make but lost it in my rage.

Yes you can vote for a third party, go ahead, throw away your vote!

And now this thread will cause GRM to be shut down by your new corporate internet police.