Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
9/17/12 9:45 a.m.

It's only $1k a pop, er, zap.

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/201234/2/Sheriff-Lott-Will-Let-You-Taser-Him---for-a-Price-

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson SuperDork
9/17/12 9:49 a.m.

I thought this was going to be a small personal watercraft post, but it's real!

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Dork
9/17/12 9:57 a.m.

If he drops over dead, as many that are tasered do, does the winner get charged with manslaughter or does he get a free pass?

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic Reader
9/17/12 10:26 a.m.
pilotbraden wrote: If he drops over dead, as many that are tasered do, does the winner get charged with manslaughter or does he get a free pass?

Being the police, more like premeditated murder.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
9/17/12 10:46 a.m.
pilotbraden wrote: If he drops over dead, as many that are tasered do, does the winner get charged with manslaughter or does he get a free pass?

I'll give you some, but many? I know tons of officers who have tazed many people and have been tazed. No deaths occurred.

oldsaw
oldsaw PowerDork
9/17/12 10:54 a.m.

You could always try to use origami pigs for the little tickets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4yTBHCNHaQo

The "action" starts at the 1:00min mark..........

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/17/12 10:55 a.m.
I'll give you some, but many? I know tons of officers who have tazed many people and have been tazed. No deaths occurred.

And therein is the problem.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Dork
9/17/12 10:56 a.m.

748 seems like many to me. Here is a list of the people murdered with tasers.

http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2008/04/what-follows-are-names-where-known.html

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 11:05 a.m.

In reply to N Sperlo:

While being tazed wasn't fun......well it was for the officers I was riding with.......it was unpleasant at best. They let me play with the handheld radar gun after that...

It is left to mention, before tasers, there wasn't really an additional step between OC/CN spray and lethal force....as I think physical handling came before chemical agents...

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/17/12 11:09 a.m.

Physical handling and lethal force aren't the same thing. There was lots of room between the spray & lethal force.

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 11:11 a.m.

In reply to carguy123:

Yes, but how many people are alive today due to being tazed......prolly many more than were shot by police

kazoospec
kazoospec Reader
9/17/12 11:30 a.m.

Not saying the tazer is the magic cure for everything, but I can tell you in my locality alone, there are a number of people who AREN'T dead because of tazers. They are especially useful on people with knives, or those trying to commit "suicide by cop." Without a tazer, cops were left with the difficult choice of going "hands on" with armed subjects or shooting them. No an enviable choice. In that case, a tazer is an indispensible third option. Not saying they aren't occasionally overused or there aren't risks, just that they aren't all bad.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/17/12 1:01 p.m.

http://thechive.com/2012/09/17/douchebag-gets-tasered-by-court-security-video/

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
9/17/12 1:08 p.m.
carguy123 wrote: Physical handling and lethal force aren't the same thing. There was lots of room between the spray & lethal force.

I'm given a my fists and a revolver. I an supposed to follow the continuum of force which means I only have the right to use what force I have to overcome what force they have.

If they are trying to kick my ass, and are bigger than me, all I have is my gun or any object I happen to pick up that isn't lethal. Yes, there is lots of room between, but we don't all have the luxury of using it.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
9/17/12 1:17 p.m.
carguy123 wrote:
I'll give you some, but many? I know tons of officers who have tazed many people and have been tazed. No deaths occurred.
And therein is the problem.

I know plenty of cops who have tazed people. What's wrong with that? Its self defense. Those tazers have cameras on them, too.

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
9/17/12 1:27 p.m.
N Sperlo wrote:
carguy123 wrote:
I'll give you some, but many? I know tons of officers who have tazed many people and have been tazed. No deaths occurred.
And therein is the problem.
I know plenty of cops who have tazed people. What's wrong with that? Its self defense. Those tazers have cameras on them, too.

Ever seen the show called Cops?

Misuse of power.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt SuperDork
9/17/12 1:29 p.m.
yamaha wrote: It is left to mention, before tasers, there wasn't really an additional step between OC/CN spray and lethal force....as I think physical handling came before chemical agents...

There was "beat the suspect with a club," which also had the same problem of occasionally turning lethal.

yamaha
yamaha HalfDork
9/17/12 1:43 p.m.
MadScientistMatt wrote:
yamaha wrote: It is left to mention, before tasers, there wasn't really an additional step between OC/CN spray and lethal force....as I think physical handling came before chemical agents...
There was "beat the suspect with a club," which also had the same problem of occasionally turning lethal.

Yep, when I spent 2 years doing the corrections gig, our use of force officially was physical handling, then OC, then "You're berkeleyed" Unofficially was "Don't fight fair" What we would have given for tasers or even pad stun devices. Would have been far fewer serious injuries to staff and offenders alike.

car guy, you just see it all the time on TV because its usually the climax of a boring show........they never used to show shooting or beating people to death on there anyways.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
9/17/12 1:50 p.m.
carguy123 wrote:
N Sperlo wrote:
carguy123 wrote:
I'll give you some, but many? I know tons of officers who have tazed many people and have been tazed. No deaths occurred.
And therein is the problem.
I know plenty of cops who have tazed people. What's wrong with that? Its self defense. Those tazers have cameras on them, too.
Ever seen the show called Cops? Misuse of power.

Its one if those things that are hard to understand until you're in the situation. People are out to kill cops. A friend was on two separate occasions, during traffic stops, shot in the face simply because someone wanted to get away. He is thankfully alive and still working, but you never know what cards people are holding until they lay them on the table. Thats why there are plenty of good tools between your fists and a gun.

Don't trust the camera, you can't really tell what's going on in a fight.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/17/12 3:51 p.m.

am i in before the lock?

N Sperlo
N Sperlo PowerDork
9/17/12 3:53 p.m.

In reply to AngryCorvair:

No. Just in after the stalemate.

Secretariata
Secretariata GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/17/12 9:42 p.m.
MadScientistMatt wrote: There was "beat the suspect with a club," which also had the same problem of occasionally turning lethal.

Yeah, didn't that look less lethal or merciful on the offender in the Rodney King video? I'm not an expert, but I think he might have preferred a taser. Not saying every LEO is an angel, but most of these situations resolved by force are result of the offender's actions/unreasonableness. Drug, alcohol, emotional, or other mental impairment doesn't relieve an offender of responsibility for their actions.

Look at the other nonlethal options, and a taser might be the best option. Anyone for a beanbag fired from a 12 ga shotgun to the gonads? How about a rubber bullet from a rifle to the skull? Take an eye out with that Red Ryder BB gun, how about a frontal lobe?

Secretariata
Secretariata GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/17/12 9:46 p.m.
Curmudgeon wrote: It's only $1k a pop, er, zap. http://www.wltx.com/news/article/201234/2/Sheriff-Lott-Will-Let-You-Taser-Him---for-a-Price-

I'll try to dunk my boss in the water tank for $1 per throw in November & hope for a cold day...

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