Donald Trump is a frizzy haired tool.

Vain, shallow and arrogant, yes. I would add pompous. Not smart, I don't know about that. He is smart enough to go broke using other peoples money.

Daddy did give him a nice stake, but he has done a lot with it.

In reply to Tom_Spangler:

No, you didn't answer my question. And because you have such a hard time with accurate comprehension, I'm reluctant to continue discussing it with you.
But for the record, I said "no" failures, not less, thus the people you mention are irrelevant to my point since they have had failures. And have you looked at our national debt and compared it with what we owe China? Do you think anyone up until now, especially the career politician's or the current POTUS that vowed to lower debt but instead has increased it dramatically, is any more qualified from a financial standpoint? And as far as lying goes, I'm not sure anyone has proved that he lied about anything, but there is overwhelming proof that our Pres, along with many other career politician's have lied to us many times.

bravenrace wrote: ...And all I'll say about birther's is how easy it would have been for Obama to provide a valid birth certificate, but he didn't.

If someone claimed you were not human, would you provide a DNA sample?

Some question are too stupid to honor with an answer. (I suspect that was the reasoning)

In reply to aircooled:

I am obviously human. He is NOT obviously an American. Some comparisons are too stupid to honor with an answer, but for some reason i do it anyway.

Speaking of him being a complete tool:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3139638/Puerto-Rico-actress-Roselyn-Sanchez-quits-Miss-USA-host-Donald-Trump-s-hurtful-remarks-Mexican-immigrants-fellow-host-singer-pull-Hispanic-broadcaster-dumps-pageant.html

Uh, yeah. We want an ignorant "human" like that at the head of our country? Meeting with dignitary's from around the world? Did we not embarrass ourselves enough in front of the rest of the world under Bush 1 and Bush 2?

Could you imagine being in the Secret Service and having to protect him?

Why do I bother to open these threads?

bravenrace wrote: In reply to Tom_Spangler: No, you didn't answer my question. And because you have such a hard time with accurate comprehension, I'm reluctant to continue discussing it with you. But for the record, I said "no" failures, not less, thus the people you mention are irrelevant to my point since they have had failures.

Really? I'm the one with reading comprehension problems? Let's review. You asked "Do you know of anyone who is as rich as him that hasn't had any failures?" Of course, that's a loaded question because literally EVERYONE has had at least one failure in their lives, rich or poor. But I stupidly took the bait and listed a bunch of people who are both more successful than Trump and have failed LESS than he has.

So what was the point of your question? I know, my reading comprehension is shaky, but my interpretation was that you were saying that his failures are not as significant as his critics say because other people as rich has him have also had failures. Right? I responded by saying they are because there are plenty of people who've been more successful with less failure.

At the end of the day it's a semantic argument and it's silly, but I will conclude by saying that I find his business record considerably less impressive than you do and leave it at that.

In reply to Tom_Spangler:

I already explained my point. Nobody that has ever accumulated that amount of wealth hasn't had at least one failure before doing it. I was replying to another post that seemed to invalidate him based on failure, that's all. You decided to take my one very specific point and blow it into something it wasn't. I don't see where my comprehension was lacking. , but good try.

bravenrace wrote: In reply to aircooled: I am obviously human. He is NOT obviously an American. Some comparisons are too stupid to honor with an answer, but for some reason i do it anyway.

So... you know what an alien is supposed to look like eh? Suspicious...

Wally, do you seriously think Trump is the best option out of the current field of hopefuls to be president?

pres589 wrote: Trump can't speak without insulting people and acting like a crass freak. He's a white trash vision of what rich looks like in America today.

Irony.

In reply to SVreX:

How so?

pres589 wrote: To think a guy that's gone through bankruptcy that many times and somehow has the audacity to say that he's a proven leader...

Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy.

The one time he seriously put his own money into a deal that went badly, he repaid the creditors personally.

I think he's whacked too, but on this point you are wrong (or at least not too informed about the purposes of corporate bankruptcies).

Then manner in which he lead companies through bankruptcies on behalf of the shareholders is actually solid evidence of his business capabilities and his leadership abilities (in business).

Forbes article on Trump bankruptcies

pres589 wrote: In reply to SVreX: How so?

The pic addresses a serious lack of self-awareness and Trump's candidacy aspirations.

I'm going back over to the confederate flag thread. It's a lot more civil.

In reply to oldsaw:

Here's the thing; I'm not pretending to run for president a second time. I'm not telling people I have the ability to be the statesman at the head of the most powerful country in the world. If I act crass I'm just representing me. You'd put Trump on point as our emissary to the world?

I'm also not sure how the white trash part got captured in that quote but I'm really okay with that.

In reply to pres589:

He would have to try hard to do worse than Obama. But go ahead and keep drinking that cool aid...

In reply to pres589:

That is an interesting point. The Pres really doesn't have much in the way of power with regards to areas where Trump has experience. Maybe, he could get both sides of Congress together and hammer out deals, but tat's a big maybe. The truth of the matter is the US president has very little "real" power. It's sort of what makes all the bitching about Obama, Bush #1/#2 & Clinton all the more amusing...

However, the President is our representative to the rest of the world and you need that person to be, well... "Presidential" if that means anything and command respect. Obama fails there from time to time, Bush #2 failed there often. Clinton was hit-or-miss. Bush #1 and Reagan were pretty good at it. But Trump as Pres? I fear every other leader in the world would be on the floor laughing.

bravenrace wrote: In reply to pres589: He would have to try hard to do worse than Obama. But go ahead and keep drinking that cool aid...

Proof?

In reply to pres589:

Are you saying you have varying standards for behavior or that you naturally gravitate to Trump's level?

As far as me supporting Trump, ummm, NO! If you somehow inferred otherwise, your butt must be hurting because you had to dig hard and deep to reach that one.

Ian F wrote: The truth of the matter is the US president has very little "real" power. It's sort of what makes all the bitching about Obama, Bush #1/#2 & Clinton all the more amusing...

Presidential power ebbs and flows contingent on his/her party's standing in Congress. Obviously, it's greatest when the Oval Office, the Senate and the House share the same "letter". It's mitigated when Congress is split between parties and potentially weakest when Congress is in the hands of the opposition.

Ian F wrote: However, the President is our representative to the rest of the world and you need that person to be, well... "Presidential" if that means anything and command respect. Obama fails there from time to time, Bush #2 failed there often. Clinton was hit-or-miss. Bush #1 and Reagan were pretty good at it. But Trump as Pres? I fear every other leader in the world would be on the floor laughing.

I agree with that assessment of Trump. Not so sure on President Obama's standing as he seems to pissing off the leaders of a lot of allies while appeasing to those who never held the US in high regard. Bush2 may not have much respect from foreign leaders but that was because he bollocked their shady financial deals in the ME.

I just can't wait for the Republican primary debates. All the candidates will trot out on stage, raise their rifles, then form a circle and shoot each other. The one who bleeds the least gets to run for President.

pres589 wrote: Wally, do you seriously think Trump is the best option out of the current field of hopefuls to be president?

I don't think that's a positive for him as much as a negative for the rest if the field.

Hillary has pretty much no accomplishments to her credit. Her campaign is basically "Vote for me, I'm a woman". She gives every impression of being dishonest, uncaring, and incompetent.

I don't know a whole lot about Bernie Sanders but I doubt he has a chance any way.

On the Republican side most of the people running are not going anywhere. Of the serious ones you have :

Jeb Bush: Strike one, which may be wrong to think but his last name. I am sure I'm not the only one that doesn't need another Bush. If he's the most qualified person to lead us out of 300+Americans then we deserve to fail as a country.

I want to like Ben Carson. He's a bright accomplished doctor but he seems to be working to hard to be the anti Obama rather than outline why he could be the one to fix the country.

Chris Christie: All of Trump's arrogance, none of his intelligence or people skills.

Ted Cruz: he likes to hear himself talk, but generally spends more time telling is what's wrong with everyone else rather than what's right with him.

Carly Fiorina: I haven't seen anything that makes her look like she'd be better than anyone else.

Lindsey Graham: The best thing he's done recently is give Imus an entertaining character.

Mike Huckabee: I'm pretty sure he's just here to sell more books and get another TV show. Also Rick Perry and Santorum.

I like George Pataki and think he'd do we'll but I don't think he's going anywhere. He has no personality and too many of the primary voters will view him as a liberal New Yorker.

I should like Rand Paul but I just don't think he could work with other people and would just give us the same stalemate we have now just from the other side.

Marco Rubio would probably be a good choice and seems like a nice guy but I don't think he would do any better than Trump.

I also don't see Scott Walker doing well. His only claim to fame seems to be breaking the unions in Wisconsin. I don't know that that qualifies someone to run the country.

While the television Trump comes of as a nut I like that he has no donors. That frees him up to appoint cabinet members that are competent and knowledgeable in their positions rather than people that got him elected. Having seen the things he's done in New York and talking to people that have worked for him he knows how to accomplish things. He deals well with governments to accomplish projects while employing large numbers of people.

In reply to bravenrace:

Yeah, I remember the time Obama said a bordering nation was "sending rapists" to America. Oh, wait, that would be insane OR a Trump quote. ref: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/16/donald-trump-mexico-presidential-speech-latino-hispanic

This is a serious, honest request; find me the three Obama statements that you think are the most damning or incendiary. I am really curious what conservative folks find are his most crazy or off-putting quotes are.

I'm sure Trump will do just fine in the Primaries, especially looking at his competition.

I don't think his rhetoric will get him anywhere with moderates or undecided on either side of the fence when it comes to the General election. Getting 0% of the Hispanic vote isn't doing him any favors either.