Donald Trump is a frizzy haired tool.

In reply to Cone_Junkie:

I'm just going to put this here without comment; http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616

z31maniac wrote:

bravenrace wrote: ..As if any of those other bozos are any better. Sheez.

Exactly. If he actually sticks to his "I'm using my own money and no one elses" it would almost be worth it to vote for him on that alone.

he's never used his own money. He is -very- good at bankrupting sub-contractors. All those people who helped build his casinos here in AC.. most of them got paid pennies on the dollar and went bankrupt after working for Trump.. especially those who helped build the Taj.

He has also done wonders to try to keep completion -out- of Atlantic City. He sued when the Expressway wanted to expand into the Marina District, saying it was a gimmie to Harrahs and Borgata.. even though his own Trump Castle also benefitted.. and he Drove Steve Wynn out never to return.

He is not good for America if what he did to AC is any indication.

In reply to mad_machine:

It's funny (not really) because if a normal person had his sort of financial record, he would probably not be granted a DoD security clearance. But some people think that these are the same reasons he should be Commander in Chief?

I think his candidacy is a good thing. "The Donald" has an opinion on everything and is not afraid to voice it. Hopefully that will cause other candidates to say something substantial rather than the non-committal ambiguous statements they usually make.

I wonder who the democratic nominee will be. That will be the most interesting to me. There really isn't too many options. Hillary probably won't get much liberal support since she voted to go to war with Iraq. She is also old, white and rich. Three other reason's liberals won't vote for her.

Don't be silly. Liberals will most certainly vote for Hillary.

I consider myself fairly liberal, and yeah I will not be voting for her. Hell no. Unfortunately it seems she has pretty high chances of getting the nomination.

Hooray another election of voting for the lesser of two evils. berkeley.

In reply to failboat:

So, you are saying that if the general election arrives and the choices are Hillary or Jeb, you'll vote for Jeb? I don't believe that.

It is unlikely you will get the chance to vote for Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders.

OK, so maybe your mental state may be that you are voting against the worse choice, but I still think you'll pull the lever for Hillary. Call it what you may.

pres589 wrote: This is a serious, honest request; find me the three Obama statements that you think are the most damning or incendiary. I am really curious what conservative folks find are his most crazy or off-putting quotes are.

I'm not a conservative (independent), but I'll take the bait. I voted for Obama the first time, and against him the second time. Rather than quotes, I'll list actions, since I think they do speak louder than words:

• promising to run "the most transparent administration ever", and then continuing drone strikes, Guantanamo, the war on terror, patriot act, and department of homeland security, all with secret/shadowy BS. Rand Paul gained a huge amount of support in my eyes lately as one of the few trying to vote down these affronts to freedom.

• the ATF "fast and the furious" debacle. Eric holder, or the underlings that acted/signed in his name, should be in prison. The show of support and clampdown on any data or disclosures that would have revealed the full scope of that operation is shameful.

• the procedure of passing the ACA. Not the bill itself, I think wanting to insure everyone can afford a basic level of care is a laudable goal (though I am very concerned with how it will be funded...can we as a nation, or as individual taxpayers afford it? Too soon to tell), but the last minute force-through in Congress of, "vote for it, THEN you get to find out what you voted for", sets a disturbing precedent that needs to be stopped immediately.

How's that?

In reply to SVreX:

No, I wont. If the choices are that bad, I'll stay home on election day. Or assess what my other options are at the time as far as a third party vote. Or write in a vote for Mike Rowe or Santa Clause

I would vote for Bernie and I hope he can get on the ballot but Hillary is such a big name, and she's got that whole woman thing going on for her and I am sure there are a good chunk of the population that would vote for her just because of that, as dumb as that is. I am sure the democratic party is well aware of that.

In reply to failboat:

Ok, let's argue some more.

Perhaps you will stay home and risk Jeb winning.

But I stand by my statement as an absolute.

Liberals will most certainly vote for Hillary.

No arguing, I do agree with you that Liberals will vote for Hillary.

In reply to SVreX:

I think it depends. My plan is to vote for Sanders unless things are drastically different in Nov '16 versus today. It's a long time from now, in some ways, and stuff could change drastically. If Hillary gets the Dem nomination and Sanders has lost all current momentum and concedes to the Democratic party's nominee then sure, I'd vote for her. Otherwise no. And Sanders seems to have a lot of positive momentum lately. A lot of liberal/progressive voters aren't very happy with Hillary being the de facto choice on that side of the ballot.

I would love to see Bernie get the nod.. but even though many (most?) of his ideas are very mainstream, all they would need to do is throw out the "socialist" or "communist" words and it would be all over for his campaign. All many voters need to hear are those words and their mind is made up.

It's like how many of my more conservative friends like to say they would not vote for Hilary for Benghazi alone.. even though they have had how many investigations into that tragedy and have not been able to link her to it?

In reply to mad_machine:

...and maybe get him a comb and a hair cut...

I'm a registered Dem and I'll admit that given the choice, I'd begrudgingly vote for Hillary vs any of the current GOP choices as they currently stand. Maybe one of them will come around and actually present workable ideas rather then just spouting rhetoric, but I'm not counting on it.

During the primaries, I will likely vote for Bernie. If anything, if he gets enough votes it might be a wake-up to Hillary that winning isn't a given. I want to see her sweat.

In reply to mad_machine:

I could care less about Benghazi. There are plenty of things not to like about Hillary.

In reply to Flynlow:

Inre: your first bullet point; wow, lot of stuff jammed in there. I don't know if the expanding drone war is really counter to the transparency thing. I know he's wanted to close Gitmo and hasn't been able to due to Republican obstruction. Obama didn't create the Patriot Act and it is getting continued support from Congress (and a lot of GOP talking heads). Homeland Security, really? He said that he wanted a transparent administration and he's not really done that. I'd lump action against whistle blowers in with your complaint. But a lot of the stuff you list isn't really things he created or has been able to change. So, uh, maybe?

Inre: your second bullet point; there's been so much debate and examination of the Fast & Furious screw-up, I thought it had been pretty well proven that GOP tactics helped to create that nightmare. ref: http://fortune.com/2012/06/27/the-truth-about-the-fast-and-furious-scandal/ And I'm not a fan of Eric Holder per se but I'm not sure where the 'Obama statement' part of my question is at with this one. Giving you a nope on this one, sorry.

Inre: your third bullet point; Obama tried to bring the GOP back to debate and improve the plane originally sourced from The Heritage Foundation and implemented previously by Republican gov. Mitt Romney. That act was debated hotly for a year. Many Republican wants were implemented & things were removed, such as Single Payer. And in the end none of them voted to support it. And again, where's the 'Obama statement' I asked for in the first place?

The canard I was trying to reverse was that Obama is somehow a more scary/crazy/mean talker than Trump. So far I haven't seen anything to prove otherwise. Can you find three of these completely insane public statements that Obama made that makes Trumps "the Mexican government is sending rapists to our country" or other bizarre/mean/hypocritical things that he says pale in comparison?

There is a reason people refer to all the people running for the Republican nomination "the clown car" Trump is the #1 clown.. Christie is about to jump in too.. can all these folks who do not stand a chance please stand aside and let the serious contenders get to work being nominated. All they are doing now is eating their own and pushing the whole of the party rhetoric further to the right where it is slowly getting marginalized

In reply to pres589:

Please stop.

6 years later, still blaming the Repubs.

If you want to do that, I guess we could go back further and say the Dems held the reigns for like 40 years straight, so everything is their fault.

Even if it IS Repub obstructionism, its STILL the President's job to lead.

If he once tried to cross the aisle and encourage his party to offer a single thing the Repubs could support, there might have been a chance.

It goes both ways, and I am thoroughly tired of the "obstructionist" BS.

well.. considering the Republicans Vowed to make him a 1 Term president.. I am doing to say that working with President Obama was not high on their list..

and yes, he did work with them. The Monster that the ACA became is due in part to changes the Republicans wanted.. and they still did not vote for it

Boy there's a surprise.

Working with President Obama is not high on the Rebuplican's list.

Working with Republicans is not high on President Obama's list.

Wow. I learned something. Very inspiring.

Can we move on?

mad_machine wrote: There is a reason people refer to all the people running for the Republican nomination "the clown car" Trump is the #1 clown.. Christie is about to jump in too.. can all these folks who do not stand a chance please stand aside and let the serious contenders get to work being nominated. All they are doing now is eating their own and pushing the whole of the party rhetoric further to the right where it is slowly getting marginalized

I haven't been alive that long, but from my observations, there are always a cluster of "cannon fodder" candidates early in the election cycle that the opposing party spends truckloads of money destroying, just so that a legitimate hopeful can sneak in the backdoor just in time for votes. "See! Compared to those other guys, I'm squeaky clean!"

mad_machine wrote: well.. considering the Republicans Vowed to make him a 1 Term president.. I am doing to say that working with President Obama was not high on their list.. and yes, he did work with them. The Monster that the ACA became is due in part to changes the Republicans wanted.. and they still did not vote for it

You write that as if Democrats have never vowed (at least to themselves) the very same pledge. The only difference in their conviction is a stupid public utterance by the Senate minority leader. That was unfortunate because it became a shiny bauble used to distract people from a harsh reality.

The ACA may include some Republican-based ideas but considering the cluster-Berkeley of the rest of the package, its' subsequent performance and that worst parts are yet to come, you might want to reconsider your opinion. Or, at least acknowledge the other party dropped a steaming pile of poo on 300 million people.

gone for the weekend … so missed this …

"donald-trump-is-a-frizzy-haired-tool" … this is a news flash ?

I find it interesting that the American public has not noticed something about the job or running the country.

Over the last 40 years or so, the job has devolved to the point where any person who is remotely qualified for the job is going to stay far away. So, what you are left with are a group of people who reflect the working conditions.

The applicants are no longer the "Best of the best" bur rather "The least crazycakes we can find".

USA elections used to be a matter of serious concern to the rest of the world, now it kinda something to watch until Game of Thrones returns.