Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/17/13 6:53 p.m.

This is important.

http://mariovittone.com/2011/07/video-of-instinctive-drowning-response/

http://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/

Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning

by Mario on May 3, 2010

in Boating Safety,Water Safety

The new captain jumped from the deck, fully dressed, and sprinted through the water. A former lifeguard, he kept his eyes on his victim as he headed straight for the couple swimming between their anchored sportfisher and the beach. “I think he thinks you’re drowning,” the husband said to his wife. They had been splashing each other and she had screamed but now they were just standing, neck-deep on the sand bar. “We’re fine, what is he doing?” she asked, a little annoyed. “We’re fine!” the husband yelled, waving him off, but his captain kept swimming hard. ”Move!” he barked as he sprinted between the stunned owners. Directly behind them, not ten feet away, their nine-year-old daughter was drowning. Safely above the surface in the arms of the captain, she burst into tears, “Daddy!”

How did this captain know – from fifty feet away – what the father couldn’t recognize from just ten? Drowning is not the violent, splashing, call for help that most people expect. The captain was trained to recognize drowning by experts and years of experience. The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television. If you spend time on or near the water (hint: that’s all of us) then you should make sure that you and your crew knows what to look for whenever people enter the water. Until she cried a tearful, “Daddy,” she hadn’t made a sound. As a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer, I wasn’t surprised at all by this story. Drowning is almost always a deceptively quiet event. The waving, splashing, and yelling that dramatic conditioning (television) prepares us to look for, is rarely seen in real life.

The Instinctive Drowning Response – so named by Francesco A. Pia, Ph.D., is what people do to avoid actual or perceived suffocation in the water. And it does not look like most people expect. There is very little splashing, no waving, and no yelling or calls for help of any kind. To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening. Drowning does not look like drowning – Dr. Pia, in an article in the Coast Guard’s On Scene Magazine, described the instinctive drowning response like this:

    Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.
    Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.
    Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.
    Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.
    From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.

(Source: On Scene Magazine: Fall 2006 (page 14))

This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble – they are experiencing aquatic distress. Not always present before the instinctive drowning response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long – but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in their own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are in the water:

Head low in the water, mouth at water level
Head tilted back with mouth open
Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
Eyes closed
Hair over forehead or eyes
Not using legs – Vertical
Hyperventilating or gasping
Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
Trying to roll over on the back
Appear to be climbing an invisible ladder.

So if a crew member falls overboard and everything looks OK – don’t be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don’t look like they’re drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them, “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. If they return a blank stare, you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents – children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.

(See a video of the Instinctive Drowning Response)

http://mariovittone.com/2011/07/video-of-instinctive-drowning-response/

gamby
gamby UltimaDork
6/17/13 7:48 p.m.

Wow. Chilling.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/17/13 8:10 p.m.

Well I learned something today

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/17/13 8:50 p.m.

My Late Grandfather talked about almost drowning in the UK. While on leave, he went down to Wales and seeing all that beautiful water, decided to take a swim. Being from the Upper Penninsula, he never knew about the monster tides they have there.

He said it was very peaceful, the first breath of water hurt like hell, but then it was very calm. Only the thoughts of his new bride (my Grandmother) got him to fight his way back to shore

DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
6/17/13 9:10 p.m.

Thanks for posting that.

btabacchi
btabacchi New Reader
6/17/13 9:24 p.m.

Wow. Didn't know. As with the others, thanks for posting this.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltraDork
6/17/13 10:23 p.m.

And thats why I prefer my water in warm bathtubs, or mixed with a good scotch whiskey.

aircooled
aircooled PowerDork
6/17/13 10:34 p.m.
Woody wrote: The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television....

And THIS is why is pisses me off to no end when I see miss-information, in whatever form presented in movies / TV. It's de-educational and as shown can sometimes be dangerous.

I had a bit of this experience myself. I was waiting to board a small boat when as the the boat was started there was a bilge explosion (it likely had something to do with the fact that I had just seen the boat being fueled). We were still near the boat while it burned (not a big fire) and someone got an extinguisher.

The guy with the extinguisher seemed reluctant to go near the boat. Then some lady started screaming about getting away from it because it was going to explode!

I did not realize it at the time what was motivating this behavior, but if I did I probably would have screamed "It's not going to explode you F'ing idiots! Vented fuel tanks don't explode, that's why they are vented!!!"

And WHY where they freaked out about this. Because every F'ing car that is on fire F'ing explodes in movies / TV. You have to wonder if this lovely bit of miss-information miss-learning has killed anyone.

phaze1todd
phaze1todd HalfDork
6/18/13 12:52 a.m.

Same thing pisses me off when you see on TV or movies, somebody giving CPR and giving up after 10 seconds. You keep going until help arives, somebody takes over for you or you are no longer physically able to!

novaderrik
novaderrik UberDork
6/18/13 2:20 a.m.

i don't know that i've ever been to a beach or a pool that had an actual lifeguard on duty, but i've never been around when anyone drowned.. if people looked like they couldn't swim, someone helped them out... oh, and it used to be the general rule that parents actually paid attention to their kids when they were in the water..

MrJoshua
MrJoshua PowerDork
6/18/13 7:12 a.m.
novaderrik wrote: i don't know that i've ever been to a beach or a pool that had an actual lifeguard on duty, but i've never been around when anyone drowned.. if people looked like they couldn't swim, someone helped them out... oh, and it used to be the general rule that parents actually paid attention to their kids when they were in the water..

I ran a pool/lifeguarded for several years and spent many hours watching little kids who have just learned to swim. You can watch them occasionally slip into the instinctual "reach for air" position with their body straight, mouth up, and arms down. Then their brain kicks in and they start to swim again and everything is fine. That "self drowning" response is right there waiting for just enough fatigue for the kid to get scared and quit using their brain and down they go.

Something else you have to watch for in group situations is kids drowning each other/grown ups. A person who wants air will climb anything they can to get to the surface. Kids will climb anyone they can reach and stand on that persons head when they need air. The best defense is to just go under deeper. They let you go if you are taking them farther from the air. Then of course you help them to safety- preferably in a way where they cant wrap around you.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
6/18/13 7:17 a.m.

I tried pulling a guy out once that started to panic, he wanted to use my head as an island. Push him away, start over; push him away, start over. Finally got behind him once he tired enough.

Good info Woody.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
6/18/13 8:37 a.m.

I was a lifeguard at a large pool one summer and will attest to the fact that actually doing the job takes a lot of mental effort. Tracking multiple situations amid plenty of distractions isn't easy.

I fished out eight people, and most of them were not making a huge fuss while going under. They may not have all been on the way to actually drowning, but I made sure they weren't.

Thanks, Woody.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/18/13 8:40 a.m.

All of my friends worked as lifeguards when I was in high school so we were all pretty familiar with this. It's definitely not easy work, either. It's been a long time, so a refresher is always good.

aircooled wrote:
Woody wrote: The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television....
And THIS is why is pisses me off to no end when I see miss-information, in whatever form presented in movies / TV. It's de-educational and as shown can sometimes be dangerous.

A local kid was killed a while back when watching some street races. What happened? One of the drivers hit a bump, got scared and yanked the handbrake just like they do in the movies. Yup, movie "learning" can be dangerous for sure.

4cylndrfury
4cylndrfury MegaDork
6/18/13 10:40 a.m.

Once when I was about 6, I decided it looked like fun to jump off the diving board at the community pool. I was there with the family, but an older kid of one of my folks friends was watching me (probably 12 or so). I on a whim, climbed the ladder to the 10m platform, and flung myself in. Im not sure I was actually in any trouble, but I may have been, and didnt know it. I had taken swimming classes since I was a toddler, so actual swimming was not much of a problem for me, but I may have been a little dazed after the impact with the water. I do recall it seemed like I was swimming for the ladder out of the pool for what seemed like eternity...not getting too far with all that effort. But I never felt in any danger. I was just having fun in the pool.

Anyway, a lifeguard scooped me up and got me out of the water. I do remember coughing and hacking afterward, so I may have been drowning and not even known it!! Needless to say, my folks watched me personally after that, no more poolside babysitter. I suppose I owe a thanks to that lifeguard.

Mezzanine
Mezzanine Reader
6/18/13 11:01 a.m.

Ah yes, the misinformation of hollywood. Don't get me started on anything about what they show related to guns, shooting, or driving.

I was a lifeguard for a number of years in my late teens/early twenties, and made countless rescues. The local pool was never too bad, but the summer I worked at a water park was downright scary. I performed rescues probably every day. To this day I have a hard time understanding how there aren't more lawsuits and deaths in those places. For what it is worth, they were almost all in the same tank- a big rocky lagoon sort of thing with multiple small slides discharging into it. It was deep with lots of waves, and lots of small kids went down the slides that had no business there.

Please share the article in the OP with your friends and family. Drowning really does not look like what you think.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/22/13 10:30 a.m.

I pulled my son off the bottom of our pool when he was 6. It was a completely silent event.

I was sitting within 15 feet of him enjoying the beautiful quiet day reading a book. It was just by the grace of God that I glanced up to see him lying on the bottom of the deep end.

We had just moved into the house, and I had never been in the pool. He couldn't swim, but wanted to go in. I was Ok with it, as long as he stayed in the shallow end and I was there. ANY parent could have made the same mistake I did.

What I didn't know, was that the grade of the floor was very steep. Too steep to stand on it. When he stepped onto it, his feet slipped out from under him and he went straight to the bottom.

I went in after him fully dressed in my work clothes. Long heavy pants, cell phone on hip, wallet in pocket, steel toed work boots.

When I got to him, he was still conscious, and started trying to climb me. I couldn't walk up the steep grade with him and my heavy water logged clothes, and I couldn't swim with him trying to climb me. I realized we were both in really big trouble, and that this is how people die trying to save someone.

I was running out of time, and ideas.

I decided the best I could do was to throw him toward the shallow end. I threw him as far as I could (which was only a few feet), scrambled toward him, then threw him again. 3 times.

It was a horribly stupid way to handle it, but we both got out.

I also know 2 separate case of young children who drowned at a party with adults surrounding the pool.

Ever since then, I take it much more seriously. I learned a little about live saving techniques. I never trust other adults to be paying attention. I never allow myself to be distracted. I always remove my shoes, empty my pockets, and sit facing the pool. If I am talking to someone, I am probably not looking at them. I am looking at the kids in the pool, looking for the silent signs.

It's fast, silent, and scary as hell. I will never allow myself to be so foolish again.

My son is now a healthy 14. I still have a note in my desk from him that reads, "thank you, Dad for saving my life". But for the grace of God... We are very fortunate.

Don't be stupid. Don't believe Hollywood.

BAMF
BAMF HalfDork
6/22/13 11:12 a.m.

I was a lifeguard & swim teacher in my late teens & early 20s. Last time I was up in a lifeguard chair was about 10 years ago. I'm pleased that this is in the news, because I've always been amazed at how few people know what drowning looks like.

Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof UberDork
6/22/13 11:40 a.m.

I grew up with a large pool in my backyard, and I'm a good swimmer.

When I was 18, we were diving off cliffs at one of the nearby parks. I jumped off one of the safer (lower) ones, and started to swim around the point, and back to shore. About 20 feet from shore I just couldn't swim anymore, and started to go under. I can remember gasping for air, and feeling like I was watching myself go under, with just my hand sticking above the water.

My buddy saw what was happening, jumped in, and pulled me out. I was gasping for air, huffing and puffing on shore for 20 minutes, and completely exhausted. I didn't realize at the time how close I was to drowning.

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