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Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
7/23/14 7:51 p.m.

Look no further... here is all you need to know.

Official 2013 Watchlisting Document

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
7/23/14 7:53 p.m.

I am probably already on one after clicking on that link.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
7/23/14 7:59 p.m.
Slippery wrote: I am probably already on one after clicking on that link.

That would be a funny joke if it weren't a legitimate possibility. There is some real vague Eastern Block sounding language in that guide book.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
7/23/14 8:03 p.m.

I read only 4 pages of that. Holy E36 M3.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic PowerDork
7/23/14 8:04 p.m.

Pretty sure this whole board is labeled as some sort of cult.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
7/23/14 8:06 p.m.

So, 165 pages of mindless drivel that no one wants to understand, much less the neanderthals that are hired to be TSA agents.

I can shorten that up for them a good bit.

"Anyone that pisses off a government official."

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic PowerDork
7/23/14 8:48 p.m.

In reply to Toyman01:

The words you are looking for is "the spirit of the law", aka the smartass clause, that being "Anybody, including citizens, we don't like can be labeled in such a way we can strip them of any and all rights whenever we feel like it".

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
7/23/14 8:58 p.m.

... and the land of the free.

02Pilot
02Pilot HalfDork
7/23/14 9:26 p.m.

I'm not sure if I'm most troubled by the appalling level of bureaucratic jargon (and the even more appalling size of the bureaucracy necessary to produce it), the apparent need to explain the nature of basic First Amendment protections, or the absurd full capitalization of every instance of the word "terrorist".

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
7/23/14 9:44 p.m.
aussiesmg wrote: ... and the land of the free.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free

--Janis Joplin (Bobby McGee)

aircooled
aircooled UltimaDork
7/24/14 12:02 a.m.
A third loophole is broader still—individuals with “a possible nexus” to terrorism, but for whom there is not enough “derogatory information” to meet the reasonable suspicion standard.
While the guidelines nominally prohibit nominations based on unreliable information, they explicitly regard “uncorroborated” Facebook or Twitter posts as sufficient grounds for putting an individual on one of the watchlists.
They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property and intended to influence government policy through intimidation.
Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic PowerDork
7/24/14 12:56 a.m.

In reply to aircooled:

So everybody, got it.

Derick Freese
Derick Freese UltraDork
7/24/14 2:26 a.m.

I know someone on the no-fly list. His crime? Taking artist pictures of bridges.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UberDork
7/24/14 6:25 a.m.

In reply to Derick Freese:

I got in all kinds of trouble for taking pictures of my car at a park. It happened to be at a dam that you could see in the background. They nearly confiscated my camera.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/24/14 8:19 a.m.

I know I'm tracked as an "extremist" by the NSA because I use Linux and have an interest in cryptography and privacy.

Only traveled to the US by air once, got SSSS both ways, and I wasn't even into that uber-geeky stuff back then.

The
The HalfDork
7/24/14 8:25 a.m.

they pull me everytime from 1978 right up to two weeks ago, "step to the side, what's that in your right rear pocket? nothing, what's that in your left front pocket? nothing, will it hurt you if i touch your right shoulder? no, knock yourself out, i am sorry sir sir what did you say? nothing, swmbo, why are they wiping your hands, checking for residue....AND FEELING GOOD WAS EASY LORD WHEN BOBBY SANG THE BLUES......

nicksta43
nicksta43 UberDork
7/24/14 8:30 a.m.

In reply to The:

Lol, got a random check at security this morning after replying to this thread

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
7/24/14 8:31 a.m.
nicksta43 wrote: In reply to The: Lol, got a random check at security this morning after replying to this thread

I opt for it every time by requesting the patdown instead of the radiation. That, and I like being special.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/24/14 8:51 a.m.

The radiation from the X-ray based machines will eventually kill more people (with cancer - going by statistics) than having a 9/11 every 10 years would. Seriously.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/24/14 9:04 a.m.

The more people on the Do Not Fly list the better...the lines are long enough already.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad Reader
7/24/14 9:12 a.m.

Related issue, anyone bought Pseudoephedrine lately? I have allergies dude, how about I bring in a meth cookers head whenever I need a new box? Can I buy a perfectly legal product then?

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UberDork
7/24/14 9:32 a.m.

And don't forget this. Your new Nike sneakers make you feel like a ninja even though you are a cowboy from Yakima. You should not get in your RX-7 and drive to the store and buy playboy and 2600 magazine at the same time. Instead stay home get on AOL and discuss the flight properties of the TIE fighter while downloading pornography.

In that short blub there are at least 13 NSA watchlist words. Can yo find them all jack? Oh one more.

PHeller
PHeller PowerDork
7/24/14 10:00 a.m.

They should probably put everyone from Malaysia Airlines on the watch list.

ryanty22
ryanty22 Dork
7/24/14 11:32 a.m.

I shouldnt have clicked that link, I am interviewing tomorrow for a job underneath the umbrella (corp) of homeland security

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
7/24/14 12:53 p.m.

"Here are the highlights;

——- it allows individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations

——- the ONLY requirement is “reasonable suspicion” (page 48)

——- it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place “entire categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists.

——- It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.” It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

——- the guidelines also define “destruction of government property” and “damaging computers” used by financial institutions as activities meriting placement on a list. They also define as terrorism any act that is “dangerous” to property

——- There are a number of loopholes [page 42] for putting people onto the watch-lists even if reasonable suspicion cannot be met.

————— 1)- The immediate family of suspected terrorists—their spouses, children, parents, or siblings—may be watchlisted without any suspicion that they themselves are engaged in terrorist activity.

————— 2)- ”associates” who have a defined relationship with a suspected terrorist, but whose involvement in terrorist activity is not known.

————— 3)- individuals with “a possible nexus” to terrorism, but for whom there is not enough “derogatory information” to meet the reasonable suspicion standard.

————— In other words, if you happen to purchase gas at a convenience store owned by a Mooslim using your credit card you may end up in the big government terrorist database.

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——- The fifth chapter, titled “Encounter Management and Analysis” details the type of information that is targeted for collection during “encounters” with people on the watchlists,

In addition to data like fingerprints, travel itineraries, identification documents and gun licenses, the rules encourage screeners to acquire health insurance information, drug prescriptions, “any cards with an electronic strip on it (hotel cards, grocery cards, gift cards, frequent flyer cards),” cellphones, email addresses, binoculars, peroxide, bank account numbers, pay stubs, academic transcripts, parking and speeding tickets, and want ads.

The digital information singled out for collection includes social media accounts, cell phone lists, speed dial numbers, laptop images, thumb drives, iPods, Kindles, and cameras. All of the information is then uploaded to the TIDE database.

Screeners are also instructed to collect data on any “pocket litter,” scuba gear, EZ Passes, library cards, and the titles of any books, along with information about their condition—“e.g., new, dog-eared, annotated, unopened.”

Business cards and conference materials are also targeted, as well as “anything with an account number” and information about any gold or jewelry worn by the watchlisted individual.

Even “animal information”—details about pets from veterinarians or tracking chips—is requested.

——- In other words, everything, (and they do mean EVERYTHING), about you will be collected, stored, and used against you at the appropriate time."

(Copied and pasted from here)

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