carzan wrote:aircooled wrote:Was that an answer?carzan wrote:aircooled wrote: Here's something to think about: They used to do similar things to black people...Um, who are you referring to as "they"?
I believe you may have missed the joke. 
carzan wrote:aircooled wrote:Was that an answer?carzan wrote:aircooled wrote: Here's something to think about: They used to do similar things to black people...Um, who are you referring to as "they"?
I believe you may have missed the joke.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: The deal with these guys is so complicated. Man, I totally get that it's "wrong" to prevent them from doing something legal. No, really, it is. I'm not kidding when I say that. I absolutely understand that. But, when I think about it, I want to do this...DILYSI Dave wrote:It's just almost impossible to have consistant thought about this bunch. I respect their right... but, no, not really. I just think they're ass holes. And yeah, that's wrong. I own that. Hey, I'm human. What can you do? It's like when I think about someone doing something to one of my kids. I'd want them to have a fair trial. Then I'd want to shoot them in the head.
Oh, I'm with you there. And I'm not saying I wouldn't put a beating on one of them if it came to it. I like to think I'm strong enough not to, because I know it only makes them richer and therefore more capable of screwing with even more people, but frankly, I doubt it.
Doesn't make me right or worthy of praise if I do.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:carzan wrote:I believe you may have missed the joke.aircooled wrote:Was that an answer?carzan wrote:aircooled wrote: Here's something to think about: They used to do similar things to black people...Um, who are you referring to as "they"?
Hence the response. Didn't see the movie.
They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral?
Joey
At this point, the only part of the story I can sorta confirm is that they had been seen at a motel off I-20 on Airport road. Allegedly. The rest is news to me, and hasn't been researched in the local media/blogs to confirm or deny. So how much is true? We may never know: I know one TV station had already decided to deny the Westies any airtime at all, to the point of not mentioning them. You have to recall we also have to still put up with the Klan around here, and the last time they marched in Canton the entire city failed to show up on a Saturday Morning in the square. Sum total of a few news cameramen were there. We're perfectly capable of ignoring them. They had enough help in that processional to drown out a few Westies, especially with the 500+ motorcycles there.
My best guess is they showed up, and decided not to fight. We'll see if the rest is true.
I do not approve of the beating of the one wbc member, but the MS town organizing all the obstacles f-ing RULES! That is the way to deal with the wbc asshats, nonviolence and lots of hoops to jump through.
I mean lets be honest here, that much hate about homosexuality and whatnot, I think Rev Phelps is over compensating for something don't you?
Crud! yeren5's been peddling (typo/pun intended) this canoe across the threads...
hahaha I know, he's going on the rapids!
In reply to ReverendDexter:
Well, if you have a moral compass, they aren't ambiguous at all.
Let me ask you - What percentage of the population do you think would say that what they are doing is morally right?
What I would do is work to change the laws or the way the court system is allowed to interpret them. This kind of "free speech" shouldn't be legal. Free speech is just not that black and white. If that didn't work, I'd shoot them.
cardiacdog wrote: Abomination might be a better description, and no I'm not a lawyer....but a friend of mine did stay at a holiday inn express last night.
Fixed.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: The deal with these guys is so complicated. Man, I totally get that it's "wrong" to prevent them from doing something legal. No, really, it is. I'm not kidding when I say that. I absolutely understand that. But, when I think about it, I want to do this...DILYSI Dave wrote:It's just almost impossible to have consistant thought about this bunch. I respect their right... but, no, not really. I just think they're ass holes. And yeah, that's wrong. I own that. Hey, I'm human. What can you do? It's like when I think about someone doing something to one of my kids. I'd want them to have a fair trial. Then I'd want to shoot them in the head.
I don't think you're wrong at all for thinking they're shiny happy people and wanting to stop them. It's the laws that allow this that are wrong. Why? Because the laws too often protect the criminal with no regard to the victim. I don't care about free speech, that's just wrong. Everyone here that are saying that these people should be allowed to do what they do becasue it's legal in my opinion are something close to brain dead. It's legal and It's wrong, plain and simple. Do you people have no regard for the soldier that died or his loved ones? Its crazy to support WBC in what they are doing for any reason. How many of you in other cases have questioned laws or government or politicians? Why is this any different? Politically I'm pretty close to a Libertarian, so I don't like more government intervention, and I support freedom at almost any cost, but I've seen so many bad things done in the name of "Free Speech" that it turns my stomach. These people are wrong, free speech or not. There HAS to be logical limits.
joey48442 wrote: They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral? Joey
Exactly.
DoctorBlade wrote: At this point, the only part of the story I can sorta confirm is that they had been seen at a motel off I-20 on Airport road. Allegedly. The rest is news to me, and hasn't been researched in the local media/blogs to confirm or deny. So how much is true? We may never know: I know one TV station had already decided to deny the Westies any airtime at all, to the point of not mentioning them. You have to recall we also have to still put up with the Klan around here, and the last time they marched in Canton the entire city failed to show up on a Saturday Morning in the square. Sum total of a few news cameramen were there. We're perfectly capable of ignoring them. They had enough help in that processional to drown out a few Westies, especially with the 500+ motorcycles there. My best guess is they showed up, and decided not to fight. We'll see if the rest is true.
I see your point, but if you were attending your own son's funeral, would you be able to ignore it?
Tough not to want to sink down to the level of the WBC, but its best not to.
fast_eddie_72 wrote: Hey, wait. You know how they shut down the streets when politicians are around for National Security? What if a Representative or Senator from the state were to start attending all military funerals. Then the Secret Service cleared the funeral route, you know, for National Security? I know they don't do that all the time, but given the shooting in Arizona and the volatile nature of these funerals, they could make a case for it, don't you think? And if someone intentionally encroached on that area they could be brought up on Federal charges, couldn't they? They can have their protest, just not on the secured route. They get their rights and the family gets some peace, plus a decent bit of respect from an elected official. Just a thought.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:carzan wrote:I believe you may have missed the joke.aircooled wrote:Was that an answer?carzan wrote:aircooled wrote: Here's something to think about: They used to do similar things to black people...Um, who are you referring to as "they"?
Goodbye mama, now you can have ice cream in heaven! I'll see you again tonight when I go to bed in my head movies. But this head movie makes my eyes rain!
huge-O-chavez wrote: Tough not to want to sink down to the level of the WBC, but its best not to.
Agreed. And really, violence would be that answer. They were in MN not long ago, and it took a VERY long dicussion with the wife and some lawyer friends to convince me that driving down there to huck rocks at them would be a BAD idea. Bail, I was ready to pay. Simple assault? Probably get it discharged with community service. Civil suit that cleans me out? Not what I have in mind for a good use of my savings. Plus, I woulda sunk to their level. I'm just glad some people had the creativity to do something I would not have had the patience to do, right or wrong.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Well, if you have a moral compass, they aren't ambiguous at all.
This implies that all morality is the same, which I'd hope that we can both agree is patently false.
BUT, it's giving me as much of an answer to my question as I think I'm going to get so I'll leave it be.
joey48442 wrote: They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral? Joey
Seems to me the way to deal with it is to issue them a permit (which they should have to have) to assemble, but nowhere near the funeral. That way they can protest all they want to and their liberties have not been infringed upon.
It finally dawned on me yesterday, and someone has already pointed it out, that WBC is not a church at all. They are law firm posing as a church. That way they can hide behind freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Then they goad govts into violating their rights so they can sue. Now I'm not the most religious person although I am in church almost every week. I don't think any church that claims to worship Jesus Christ as the son of God (as in Baptist would) would ever act this way. And yes I have seen some other churches that I would not be proud to be a member of.
One way to deal with this is the same as dealing with a troll. Don't feed it.
spitfirebill wrote:joey48442 wrote: They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral? JoeySeems to me the way to deal with it is to issue them a permit (which they should have to have) to assemble, but nowhere near the funeral. That way they can protest all they want to and their liberties have not been infringed upon.
Except that, IMO, requiring a permit to assemble IS a violation of the first amendment. Protesting in the middle of a field negates the purpose of the protest. Pretty sure that's not what the writers of the 1st amendment meant.
I kind of liked what the Mississippians did there at first glance. But then I started thinking these people thrive on the attention. I'd rather it not be a news story one way or the other.
I think the other churches should get together and sue them. 
The video was really touching with miles and miles of people standing on the side of the road to pay their respects. I love that the community took charge of the situation and that it (for the most part) remained non-violent. As hard as that is, it really is the only way to take the momentum out of their system.
Let's move the protest areas, there's bound to be some free space over near the city dump. Let's at least make sure that funeral routes are in non-permit-able areas. And as a community let's make sure all the hotels are booked solid.
Peace.
spitfirebill wrote: Seems to me the way to deal with it is to issue them a permit (which they should have to have) to assemble, but nowhere near the funeral. That way they can protest all they want to and their liberties have not been infringed upon.
Not a fan of what amounts to the "Free Speech Zone" solution. (How's that name for newspeak?) in general.
It finally dawned on me yesterday, and someone has already pointed it out, that WBC is not a church at all. They are law firm posing as a church. That way they can hide behind freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Then they goad govts into violating their rights so they can sue.
Exactly. They're not a church. They're a business who makes their profit by suing. Remove the profit, you kill the business. Then they either go away (good), or do something so stupid they actually get locked up, even better.
It warms my heart to imagine:
Bubba: What are you in for?
WBC Dude: Well, I'm a WBC lawyer, and I physically assaulted a grieving mother.
Bubba: Oh really? Why don't you come over here.
The practical problem with not a church is how do you usefully define such things? I don't know. I know they're not one, but I don't know how you could have a set of criteria to determine it.
DILYSI Dave wrote:spitfirebill wrote:Except that, IMO, requiring a permit to assemble IS a violation of the first amendment. Protesting in the middle of a field negates the purpose of the protest. Pretty sure that's not what the writers of the 1st amendment meant.joey48442 wrote: They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral? JoeySeems to me the way to deal with it is to issue them a permit (which they should have to have) to assemble, but nowhere near the funeral. That way they can protest all they want to and their liberties have not been infringed upon.
i agree with this. but the first post of these quoted ones sounds like a better argument against requiring permits for gun ownership as it pertains to the constitution than a way to stop a bunch of shiny happy people exploiting the freedoms the constitution expressly guarantees.
WilberM3 wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote:i agree with this. but the first post of these quoted ones sounds like a better argument against requiring permits for gun ownership as it pertains to the constitution than a way to stop a bunch of shiny happy people exploiting the freedoms the constitution expressly guarantees.spitfirebill wrote:Except that, IMO, requiring a permit to assemble IS a violation of the first amendment. Protesting in the middle of a field negates the purpose of the protest. Pretty sure that's not what the writers of the 1st amendment meant.joey48442 wrote: They put all sort of silly restrictions on the 2nd amendment, why can't the disallow protesting within 2000 feet of a funeral? JoeySeems to me the way to deal with it is to issue them a permit (which they should have to have) to assemble, but nowhere near the funeral. That way they can protest all they want to and their liberties have not been infringed upon.
Wilbur saw through my little ruse...
Joey
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