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sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 8:58 a.m.

Looks like the kidlet(will be 4) the wife and I are going to be hitting Disney world the last week of April for 2013. Flying in, no car rental, and plan to stay on Disney property.

Edumacate me as to surviving this place. I've been once before when I was about 10, that was 28 years ago. I'm sure a few things have changed. My son does love automotive stuff, but I'm sure there will be plenty to hold his attention. What sort of stuff will I enjoy? We plan to be there a week. Moderate budget.

I understand that Epcot is where all the good beer is hidden.

Traps/money sucks to avoid.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
12/14/12 9:16 a.m.

Well, first thing I would suggest would be an attitude change. You go in like that and it will suck.

I've been going to disney for 30+ years and I enjoy it every time.... and I don't even have kids. Don't be in a hurry, take your time, let the pushy people go on past and ruin someone else's day and enjoy everything you can with your wife and child.

Be sure to use as much of the Disney Transportation system as you can. I remember spending an entire day on buses, boats and trams checking out all the different resorts, parks, and hidden away places.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/14/12 9:20 a.m.

I'm with Bob, Disney is awesome. Epcot is definitely the place to hit. Lots of beer and good food and cool rides/shows.Plus the GM Test Track is a killer ride (it's basically a full size slot car, and it accelerates like one).

Disney World itself is also cool. I still loathe the Tommorowland make-over from the 50's look, but the Carrousel of Progress and the tram are still there. Lots of cool rides. Hit up Thunder Mountain! And every 4 year old has to have their first drive in the Disney Go-Kart.

The big trams going from park-to-park are still the best public transportation idea ever and are wicked cool. Plus they pass right through the new hotel (which also looks great).

Have fun!

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/14/12 9:21 a.m.

Prepare for a bunch of "Disney sucks, take your kids to a national park instead" type rants.

It's expensive. Really expensive. Plan and budget for that so it doesn't totally shock you when you get there.

Your kid is 4, so he'll probably like Magic Kingdom best, followed by the animal one (I forget what it's called). Epcot and Hollywood Studios are aimed at adults/older kids, not that there aren't cool things there for the little ones.

Are you staying on their property? If so, get the meal plan, it's worth it overall. And like Bob said, use their transportation, it's free. Well, included, anyhow. That's what we did when we went ~4 years ago. Personally, if I was going back, I'd stay off Disney property, save some money, and be able to go to a store for food and stuff. Staying on their property is nice for some reasons (you can get into the parks early, free transport, everything is just taken care of), but overall, I'd rather have the freedom.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltraDork
12/14/12 9:29 a.m.

I think my favorite place to stay on disney property is in the cabins at the campground area. You have a full kitchen, secluded lots etc. You can rent a golf cart to ride around the campground area and meet the people around you etc and with the kitchen there, you can go to a regular store to get "normal" food and make it there. THe nice thing is you don't have to do dishes!

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 9:35 a.m.

I didn't think I had a bad attitude Bob, sorry if it came off at that way. I'm excited for the trip. I'm more excited because we had floated the idea of doing it, but knew it was expensive. Long story short we had a very unexpected Christmas bonus that makes this a reality. We are expecting to pay more than we did for our last three cars...and gulp...I'm Ok with that. We do the national park thing, so don't worry my son has got to see a lot of the US already at his young age. By traps and money sucks, I mean what are the unexpected hiccups one might encounter. We will do a dining plan, but we are unsure which one just yet. We plan to stay on property, Either at a "value" property or the next step up. More concerned about location on the transportation lines. We'd love to be on the monorail line, but I don't think that is in our budget. I know my son will love the monorail. Tipping? What is customary? Do you tip on meal plans? I've always been a self service type of guy, so having someone serve me is tough sometimes.

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
12/14/12 9:45 a.m.
Tom_Spangler wrote: Personally, if I was going back, I'd stay off Disney property, save some money, and be able to go to a store for food and stuff. Staying on their property is nice for some reasons (you can get into the parks early, free transport, everything is just taken care of), but overall, I'd rather have the freedom.

Unfortunately that will cost you so much more of your day travelling back and forth plus the time you lose getting from parking lots to parks rather than being let off right at the door.

It takes a long time to go back and cook or go off property to eat. You also don't get to go in early or stay late. All in all staying off property will require you to have the expense of another day to make up for lost time.

A little more for food or pay for an extra day?

Stay close! The value places are soo far off that travel times eats into your fun time plus they tend to be smaller and with less features.

We always get the 2 meal a day plan, it's more than we can eat and we usually give away some treats to random kids before we leave to help make their day.

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 9:53 a.m.

We are staying on property, that much we aren't debating. Where on property is the kicker. Just a quick look online booking engine, we are sort of stuck between Carribean beach resort pirate room which is a mid grade room, or art of imagination...which has Cars themed rooms, but only as a suite. Being two adults and small kid, a suite seems like overkill, but my son loves Cars. The tie breaker there would be how long it takes to get into the park. Carribean beach looks close to Epcot. I remember there was a monorail from epcot to the MK. Would it be practical to bus to epcot and monorail to MK....or would that make it way to long of a trip?

slefain
slefain SuperDork
12/14/12 10:03 a.m.

Choose what parks you will visit, get the map, and plan the attack. Good choice on staying on the park property, you will get in earlier and you can also head back to the room for a mid day break.

Make peace now with the worst case scenario: you walk in the gate and your kid gets sick, so you have to leave. Tickets are used, money is gone. Deal with that now.

Do NOT go to Disney and try to "get your money's worth" unless you are there without kids. Yes you can have a budget. But also be comfortable with lighting that money on fire.

Been twice now with kids, they run the show, go at their pace. Nothing turns the Magic Kingdom into the 7th Circle Of Hell faster than a hellbent Dad on a mission of "family fun". You'll be fuming, the kids will be crying, and the wife will be pissed (which will have a serious effect on your marital conjugal visit schedule).

Frankly Disney with kids (unless extremely well thought out) is not a GRM-type vacation. Live the GRM life the rest of the year, so that you can afford to do Disney like Road & Track (but not Automobile, that's just silly).

Jake
Jake HalfDork
12/14/12 10:06 a.m.

Sorry for the word castle, I had a lot to share, I guess. We went a couple weeks ago, took our three boys (7, 5, 1.5). My wife did most of the planning, I’ll tell you what we thought worked out pretty well and what didn’t. In addition to all this, there are loads of apps and blogs and such that will help tell you how to spend your time/ make an itinerary. Worth browsing over, for sure, just to get an idea of what’s there to do, if nothing else.

Find out when the parks you want to go to are open, then get there as early as you can. Since you’re staying on property, you can get in during “magic hours,” meaning before folks who aren’t on property by an hour or so. Do this. Even in early November the crowds were pretty solid. Since you’ve got a 4-year-old, you’re going to be up at daylight anyway, might as well get rolling. We’d get up, get there early as possible in the mornings, rock it out for a few hours, then head back to the motel for a midday nap. You might want one too. By 2-3PM we were usually back at the parks, and stayed until pretty late.

Take advantage of the fastpass option on the more popular rides. Normally you can collect those, figure out how much time you have, then go do something else for an hour or so. Come back, jump on the ride, and move on. Somewhere there’s a Group VP/ Operations Director at Disney whose career-making idea was “hey, let’s get these people out of the lines so they keep spending money!” Heh. Oh, also – they have a time window on there, usually something odd like 11:55-12:55. Note that in the lower corner there will be a marking of “GP :15” or so, meaning “grace period” so if you get up there at 12:58 instead of 12:55 they won’t hassle you. In reality, the employees are generally reasonable, they probably wouldn’t give you any problems unless the crowds are just insane.

For staying on property, we got a meal plan, so we had credits to use for meals when we wanted them. This time we opted for a mix of “counter service” (like fast food, they hand you a tray) and “full service” (sit down restaurant) meals. Next time we’ll skip the full service. All the places we ate were nice but not incredible, and the logistics of “hey we have to drop what we’re doing to get to our reservation at _ by __” was just annoying, plus you wind up having to tip on the Official Inflated Disney Price, so you wind up paying some money on that end anyway. If you go to the Irish place Ragland Road at downtown Disney, though, get the bread pudding. I’m not a dessert guy, but it was absurd. Possibly the best dessert I’ve ever had.

Epcot was cool – we went during the food and wine festival, so we ate a lot of snacks. I’m not sure if it’s set up that way most of the time, I got the impression not. BUT – there are beers all over. Get a Harp from the fish and chips stand in “Ireland,” mosey around for a little while. Get a Sapporo at the Japan stand, stand around and watch the Taiko drummers go nuts. Observe the huge outdoor model train setup in the Germany area, get some candy at Karamell-Kuche. Soarin’ is a neat ride, one of those IMAX rides – simulates riding a hang glider. Worth doing. At park closing, fireworks at Epcot are RIDICULOUS. Smoke and lasers and huge flamethrowers over the lake. Worth seeing, I’m ruined for any other fireworks ever now. Kind of redeemed Epcot for the kids too, they weren’t super fired up about it except for Soarin’.

Animal Kingdom is neat. We did the safari truck ride twice. The kids ate it up, and I thought it was pretty neat myself. GRM types will dig the big 4x4 flatbed with seats and a canopy, fording streams and whatnot. My wife’s chronic migraine deal was acting up this day, though, so we didn’t really hit this park hard. We’ll do it next time.

Magic Kingdom, we spent 3 days. At the end of that I felt like we’d done that park justice, but we’ll go back and as the kids get bigger they will be into different parts of it. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad was a hit this time. Fun little rollercoaster. Pirates of the Caribbean, Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse- those were cool, sort of a classic Disney thing. Across from the Pirates of the Caribbean ride is a little stage where there’s a Jack Sparrow “join my pirate crew, ye scurvy dogs” show that happens. My boys ate it up. “It’s a Small World After All” was a big hit with the baby. The mad tea party teacup ride is a classic, the kids loved it. Same with the Tomorrowland Speedway – your son will like both of those. Crank on the teacup ride and show off your dad-strength getting it going super-fast, then let him drive the go kart while you work the pedals.

Getting pictures of the kids made with the characters was something the wife really wanted to do, but it proved to be pretty annoying- everybody wants to do that. I’m gla we did it, seeing what pics we got, but this process in general was the single most irritating part of the trip to me. They all have handlers that are tasked with managing crowds around them, some of them were better than others at helping you figure out how to get your picture, “the line will form here in about 10 minutes” etc... Speaking of pictures – look at the photopass thing. Yeah, it’s a sales pitch, but it’s a pretty neat thing, and might save you from schlepping your camera around, if you want. Some of the photographers are better than others. My wife is a photographer herself, we opted just to buy the disc with images and she could process/ crop/ retouch some of them when we got home. There are a few good ones in there, and the ones that aren’t are at least as good as the snapshots we would have taken. So I’d say it’s worth it. I filled in with snapshots on my iPhone and little video clips.

Magic Kingdom is alcohol free, btw. I thought that was going to be the treatment, but the kids were having so much fun I found I didn’t care.

I went with an open mind, and planned to make sure the kids had a blast. In doing so, I had an incredible vacation myself – which I did not expect. With kids the age of mine, I expected it to be painful, it was not. Do try not to be those people (you’ll see them too) that look like they’ve just endured the Bataan Death March because they are trying to fit everything in. Remember to relax, you’re on vacation. Have fun!

Ranger50
Ranger50 UberDork
12/14/12 10:14 a.m.

Having just done this back in September I can give you my perspective.

I still don't like Disney. Far too much getting into my wallet for nothing. Besides that, it is a decent place to go for a once in a lifetime trip.

When we went, we stayed at the "best" of the moderately priced resorts, Port Orleans Riverside, with a "FREE" 1 quick service-1 full service meal-1 snack/day type of dining plan. That resort has TONS for a kid to do just at the resort. It has buses that run to all the parks along with every other resort. You can take the water taxi to Downtown Disney/Pleasure Island. You can get a carriage ride around the resort for about $40 for the hour it takes. Everyone WILL stare at you and say non-verbally, "Lucky bastards."

Tipping... That is confusing, but here is the deal. Just use your room card and charge it to the room, payable at checkout. We did this and it saves a lot of trouble on you and the waitstaff.

Dining, near the end for us, we were left with quick service meals and it still wasn't bad food. Some of the credits for the full service meals were used for eating at Chef Mickey's for breakfast once in the Contemporary resort, a character dinner in the Crystal Palace in Magic Kingdom, and breakfast with the Princesses inside Cinderella's Castle in Magic Kingdom. All those took 2 meal credits and reservations to partake in. Everything else is 1 credit typically. The German place in Epcot has AWESOME food, plus the beer. And if you want to chow down, Benihana's in the Polynesian resort is a good place to go. Just don't make the smartass comment about eating a whole skewer of shrimp....

Also staying on property, take advantage of the extended park hours. We toured the parks in the order they had extended hours.

I know I have more to add if the questions get asked.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/14/12 10:16 a.m.

Fastpass times eleventy-billion. Greatest invention in the history of amusement parks.

We stayed in the Pop Century resort, one of the "value" ones. Room was a bit crowded with my wife and I with our then-7-year-old twins, but manageable. I would compare it to any other value hotel like a Motel 6, but very clean, and they do have several pools on property.

Agreed that there's really no way to GRM-ify a Disney vacation, it's going to be expensive. But we had fun. I will say this, Disney has their E36 M3 together, they have been refining the experience of being at those parks for 50 years, and they leave nothing to chance. It's pretty impressive.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 UltraDork
12/14/12 10:16 a.m.

We stayed just this past autumn at the Coronado Springs resort. I think staying "on campus" is good simply because you're close and you just need to hop a Disney bus and you can get where you're going with no need to drive or park.

We lucked into the meal plan for free, which was a great perk. Try to travel as "off-season" as you possibly can. For us, it was early September. Crowds are the norm, and long wait times can really dampen your fun.

There's so much to do there, you can't do it all in a week, or a month. Just have a plan, be flexible, and have fun. Budget? Heck, I never added it all up, but I figure $3 - $5000 is in the ballpark.

Unexpected high point: We took a 2-hour fishing charter, just my wife and me and two sons. I had my doubts that we'd catch much going out around noon, but the captain was a fantastic old guy from upstate NY and we were catching nice largemouth five minutes off the dock. We must have pulled in 12 to 15 nice fish in two hours. Highly recommended. I think we sailed out of the Yacht Club resort.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UberDork
12/14/12 10:22 a.m.
Jake wrote: Crank on the teacup ride and show off your dad-strength getting it going super-fast,

I did that... Both the wife and kid nearly vomited on the ride....

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 10:35 a.m.

Lots of good info, thanks. Barnca messaged me a lot of other good stuff too.

As to beer, I'm not an alcoholic or anything. I can go with out it.....It's just when I have it, I prefer microbrew types of stuff and like to try different ones. I'm guessing I might have one a day if the opportunity presents itself with a meal. Epcot sounds like the place that I'd enjoy. To be clear, I'd enjoy the place even if I didn't have a beer the entire trip.....just if an opportunity to ENJOY a beer presents itself, I don't want my options to be bud light and coors light.

Meal plan info is greatly appreciated as that is the big mystery to us at the moment. Whether we do a table service meal or not is the question. For us the most important meal is Breakfast. We NEED a real breakfast, not just a bagel or a cup of yogurt and go. How does breakfast figure in to the equation? We'd be completely content with a Denny's type or diner type of breakfast option(buffet?). Doesn't have to be fancy, but needs to be more substantial than a continental.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UberDork
12/14/12 10:43 a.m.

The meal plan isn't meal centered. You can use it for breakfast and then lunch and skip dinner, or skip lunch and eat dinner instead. It is very flexible. Only breakfast buffet we ate at was the Chef Mickey's meal. The resort breakfast you had the choice of like a bagel, omelet, waffles, pancakes, and like a healthy wrap. You got a main dish and a drink. Sides, like a banana or apple, would be counted as one of your snack credits.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
12/14/12 10:46 a.m.
Bobzilla wrote: Well, first thing I would suggest would be an attitude change. You go in like that and it will suck.

He didn't sound negative to me. But, I agree with you. It will suck.

The sausage buffet + beer in Germany is really pretty damn good. That is all I got that doesn't make it sound like you are flushing $5k down the toilet.

mndsm
mndsm PowerDork
12/14/12 10:49 a.m.

One thing that has not been mentioned, but I feel warrants notice- do some research on some of the cool stuff most people don't notice. IE, whether the Haunted mansion in FL is the one where the ceiling raises, or the floor lowers. The one in CA is identical to the one in FL except for that one difference. There is also hundreds of hidden mickey heads all over the park, kids love finding that ish. If you can, take time to track down Walt's personal apt. You won't be able to get in, but 90% of the population doesn't even know it exists. Disney is the "secret" nerds wet dream. I love the rides, but I love all the hidden stuff far more. I can't wait til my mini-me is old enough to enjoy it.

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 10:59 a.m.

I'll be into the hidden mickey stuff. I actually work for big ski resort, so just watching how the place ticks is going to be intriguing to me. Noticing what I don't notice if you get my drift....what is the behinds the scenes stuff that I know has to be happening and is not apparent. I'll dig that stuff.

Jake
Jake HalfDork
12/14/12 11:02 a.m.

We stayed at Pop Century, and we used a quick service meal plan credit to get a big ol’ plate of eggs and sausage and grits and whatnot in the mornings. Food is institutional (read: powdered eggs), but there are omelets, etc as well. I’d look there. It’ll be a $30 meal for three people if you aren’t on a meal plan, but it’ll also cover you until lunch without needing a snack in an hour like a yogurt cup would. Further, take everything they’ll give you – quick service meals include an entree, drink, and dessert. (edit: breakfast not so, lunch and dinner it does, though, and a pastry will keep...)Stash the danish or whatever for the 11:00 “daddy I’m hungry” call- if you're staying on property you'll have a mug for fountain drinks, too, meaning you can do the same with a bottle of Coke, juice, etc toward the same purpose.

Also – with your son at 3 ½ or 4, consider taking (renting) a stroller, and sling snacks, bottled water, etc. for the kid and you in a soft cooler underneath. Think beef jerky, cheese sticks, raisins, etc. That alone will probably save you $100 or more over a week’s time, as you can drop $10 at a kiosk for a tiny little snack without even noticing. Plus the stroller, depending on your kid, might be a place for him to catch a half-hour power nap so you don’t have to spend 2-3 hours busing it back to the hotel, crashing out, then coming back.

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 11:06 a.m.

The stroller has me in a quandary. He'll want to go without, but I can see the benefit of having one just to pack stuff around like drink cup, spare clothes for him etc. Safe to leave that stuff with a stroller if the whole family wants to go on a ride together?

Ranger50
Ranger50 UberDork
12/14/12 11:10 a.m.
sachilles wrote: Safe to leave that stuff with a stroller if the whole family wants to go on a ride together?

Yep! They have cast members that man stroller parking at all the rides typically. There were several rides all three of us took and left the stroller to fend for itself.

Ranger50
Ranger50 UberDork
12/14/12 11:14 a.m.
sachilles wrote: I'll be into the hidden mickey stuff. I actually work for big ski resort, so just watching how the place ticks is going to be intriguing to me. Noticing what I don't notice if you get my drift....what is the behinds the scenes stuff that I know has to be happening and is not apparent. I'll dig that stuff.

Then get a tour of the underground tunnels under Magic Kingdom.... LOL.

mndsm
mndsm PowerDork
12/14/12 11:14 a.m.
sachilles wrote: I'll be into the hidden mickey stuff. I actually work for big ski resort, so just watching how the place ticks is going to be intriguing to me. Noticing what I don't notice if you get my drift....what is the behinds the scenes stuff that I know has to be happening and is not apparent. I'll dig that stuff.

You'll love it then. I once got to see Space Mountain with the lights on, and it was incredible. Some of the other cool stuff will make it worthwhile as well. Make sure you take the time to see some of the old attractions ( there was this tiki hut with singing mechanical birds, i forget what it's called) was really cool- if for nothing else than seeing how they did animatronics prior to computer programming and digital everything.

sachilles
sachilles SuperDork
12/14/12 11:17 a.m.

If we aren't picky about what day of week to arrive/depart, is there a financial advantage to picking a start or end date on specific days of the week?

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