GRM - Gran Turismo 5 Racing League - Series 3

Anyone save the HH replay for pics?

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: You think any of us are capable of running 3 perfect laps at the Ring with traffic in a full-blown Lotus Carlton?

I've yet to run a perfect lap anywhere with an all out Carlton. It's why I've taken most of the go fast bits off and kept it simple.

I like the idea of a big saloon class, but I can't really think of any that I've tuned that actually handle well. I'd probably run the S type R for E36 M3s and giggles. Sounds like a diesel and moves on its own at idle.

I saved it, but haven't watched it yet much less taken pics from it.

How about a rally car class? Maybe not rally races, but run regular circuits with them. There are a lot of choices in the game, maybe put in some sort of limitation as far as max power or even try to use the dreaded PP limits. I have a bunch of rally cars that I never drive ranging from some old classics like datsuns and Mitsubishis from the 60-70's, some Group B era machines, and some modern WRC cars.

Better idea: use the street versions of rally cars. My Galant VR4 just has to have something it's competitive at.

Because if we do rally class, at least three of us will want to run the 85 Pajero, and I call dibs right now.

E: Thinking about it, a street rally class would just be full of Mitsubishis and Subarus, and that's no fun. So nevermind

T.J. wrote: How about a rally car class? Maybe not rally races, but run regular circuits with them. There are a lot of choices in the game, maybe put in some sort of limitation as far as max power or even try to use the dreaded PP limits. I have a bunch of rally cars that I never drive ranging from some old classics like datsuns and Mitsubishis from the 60-70's, some Group B era machines, and some modern WRC cars.

I like that idea a lot. Why don't you like using pp to equalize cars? Now that I understand it I think it makes sense. The testing I did for the upcoming "Moonshiner's Run" race indicated to me that the pp method works. Theoretically, it takes all performace adding aspects into consideration.

I run some PP races with friends every once in a while. I like it because I've seen every drive setup win at least once, and the racing is quite competitive.

I just am unclear how the various PP scores are calculated. As an example the Marcos I used last series has a very high PP rating because of it's low weight and relatively high horsepower, but if I use it in a race with cars with similar PP ratings it'll get creamed on most tracks because it is so far down on power. I don't remember what the PP rating is, but it is around the same as the DC5 I'm running in HH. Laptimes between the two cars say that they are not equal.

I think PP would be best for a rally car class though since there are a lot of different choices.

I really don't care what we do lol it's all fun and entertaining to me....as long as my internet doesn't give me the berkeley you! I liked the GRM and SBC the best I think.

I still think we should do a GRM drift event

BradLTL wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: If you bite off more than you can chew in the fastest car and miss one corner because it's just so much to deal with... you're losing a lot of time.

Europa

That was quite obviously skill... you did see the mess that i made trying to drive it, right? Yeah, it was faster than some of the other cars, but now that i've driven quite a few cars from that series, it wasn't the big gap that everyone thought it was. It just happened to work well with Air's driving style.

And you had fun with that series anyways, right? This shouldn't be about "How do we make Aircooled/Apexcarver lose."

T.J. wrote: How about a rally car class? Maybe not rally races, but run regular circuits with them. There are a lot of choices in the game, maybe put in some sort of limitation as far as max power or even try to use the dreaded PP limits. I have a bunch of rally cars that I never drive ranging from some old classics like datsuns and Mitsubishis from the 60-70's, some Group B era machines, and some modern WRC cars.

I like this, just keep the PP limit pretty high.

Some comment:

I'm back for some good old Monaco wall pinball action.

The Europa wasn't THAT fast, I was doing pretty good in the Pink bomb before my lack of experience with it caught up to me. Also, I would have gotten destroyed at Indy in that car (I had to miss that race). Celica is right, that car was a perfect (sort of dumb luck guess really) combination of: perfect for my driving style, setup to put out max allowed HP, hard enough to drive so I could "build" up to it. The fast corner entry is an interesting comment because that is one thing the car could do. You could go into a corner to fast and scrub speed very well with a slight drift (took lots of practice). This is one thing you absolutely cannot do in the HH cars!

Old rally cars. That would be fun. I have collected a few. Not sure if we can use rally tracks though. They don't seem to have pits and you wouldn't want to run without damage (that would be a massive pinball machine!)

Big sedans. I am good with that. As noted, handicapping is the issue.

Micro / mini cars. I am into that. Track selection would be critical (NO Indy!!!)

Still pulling for the Samba race. It would be a spec series, but I am suspicious that the drafting effect might be huge in those things!, which could make for some fun races.

You want to kick my butt, do a drifting series, I have very little experience with that. I did do one of the drifting challenges... in a Cobra... yes, I was not putting that much effort into it.

I don't know if anyone else has found themselves doing this, but when I am going through the used car listings I am mentally playing the game, "What will Brad think of next", and find myself buying cars I might otherwise not be interested just because they might fit some category Brad comes up with.

For the reason noted above, it is good to give some advance warning of some potential race classes. I will need to keep my eye out for the big sedans (there aren't that many are there?). I wonder if they have a diesel Merc...

For what it's worth, i think i hampered the celica with how i built it.

I'm 100% convinced that it would have been faster with stage 2 engine + high range turbo rather than the stage 3 engine + midrange turbo. It had a horrible top end the way i set it up, and way too much midrange, which meant it was a bear in the tight corners on Comfort tires.

Notice the same two people are crushing "us" in the spec series, so i really don't think car has much to do with it. (Unless you're Nick and trying to run an Alfa in the HH series. )

aircooled, there were several times I was behind you when you were in the Europa and I saw it snap sideways. That's the reason I didn't even try it. I had one but didn't even build it because I remembered what a pain it was in GT3 without RS tires. However, many of the cars that were in GT3 and are in GT5 handle what I think is more realistically in GT5.

I only tried one of the drift trials. I looked up the top rankings and was surprised that BY FAR the top cars for that trial were 12 cyl. Cerbera and AM Vanquish. The Cerbera went deep into the rankings.

Yes, I too have been buying up a lot of cars lately. I bought the 2010 Ferrari F1 car, several of the Rally cars and Sat. I bought the black GT5 RWD Audi R8. I've wanted that one since I first saw it. Way too expensive but I bought it anyway.

BTW, did you know you can only have 20M credits? I didn't and blew 3 high paying payoffs before it sunk in. Doh!

Please don't get up a lynch mob but I'm considering buying a Forza3 and Xbox360 to prepare for the upcoming Forza4. The buzz is that it's a really state of the art sim with improved graphics and a totally revamped sim program. Also, it would give me a line of communication with my step son because he plays F3. I've asked a few questions over on that thread and no one responded. I must have just come in from the garden Now, having said that, I'm def. not going to bail on the GT5 series.

aircooled wrote: I don't know if anyone else has found themselves doing this, but when I am going through the used car listings I am mentally playing the game, "What will Brad think of next", and find myself buying cars I might otherwise not be interested just because they might fit some category Brad comes up with.

FWIW... I try and make it known around Round 7-8 of the previous series. I find myself playing the game, looking at the UCD wondering... "What would make for a good series?". Then I have to find several examples, and test them to see if they are actually going to be worth driving.

The exception being HH... Nick and Ben basically got what they asked for with that class.

Also, I'll make it Saloons and Estates... feel free to bring your RS6 Avant to the party.

BradLTL wrote:

aircooled wrote: I don't know if anyone else has found themselves doing this, but when I am going through the used car listings I am mentally playing the game, "What will Brad think of next", and find myself buying cars I might otherwise not be interested just because they might fit some category Brad comes up with.

FWIW... I try and make it known around Round 7-8 of the previous series. I find myself playing the game, looking at the UCD wondering... "What would make for a good series?". Then I have to find several examples, and test them to see if they are actually going to be worth driving. The exception being HH... Nick and Ben basically got what they asked for with that class. Also, I'll make it Saloons and Estates... feel free to bring your RS6 Avant to the party.

Go figure, i got what i asked for, then life got in the way. And then Nick and I picked the slowest two cars anyways.

hahahahaI know right!!

with a drift series it may be interesting to see the setups and what people bring, although with me, I have the most slideways luck with my Isuzu lol

ohhhhh boy, my lovely colored RS6 Avant!

So Monaco this week....

We've been able to avoid our first corner pile-ups for a couple races now, but I suspect that they will return this week. The question is:

Is it better to be in front, and then be rear-ended; or better to follow the carnage through the corner losing time to anyone who makes it through clean?

Depends where F40 is...

That first corner seems to be a pretty critical corner also, there is definitely time to be made there. The chicane is the other critical corner that I see (I do not believe there is a cut penalty there).

Probably not a bad race to "wait it out" at the back though. Of course, any wall hits / big contact, will likely block a lot of the track, so that is an issue also.

aircooled wrote: Depends where F40 is... That first corner seems to be a pretty critical corner also, there is definitely time to be made there. The chicane is the other critical corner that I see (I do not believe there is a cut penalty there). Probably not a bad race to "wait it out" at the back though. Of course, any wall hits / big contact, will likely block a lot of the track, so that is an issue also.

We've all apparently been thinking about this. If there is a wreck in front of us I would think that the wrecked car/cars would ghost.

Another thought, let's say you lay back in qual. and somehow or other the grid is reversed . . .

aircooled wrote: Depends where F40 is... Probably not a bad race to "wait it out" at the back though.

I would be forced to disagree.. Reference F1 races there, HARD track to pass at. Whoever gets through T1 in the lead, its their race to lose.

If you get in front and drive a semi-conservative defensive line, its gonna be really hard to lose.

(Much could depend on Quali and launch)

I think tire wear may be a big factor here as well. It is easy to run the tires off in a handful of laps in either of my cars, or if I back off a bit, stop doing so many smokey burnouts, accelerate away from a corner in 3rd instead of 2nd, etc. the tires can last a good while. I haven't paid enough attention yet to figure out the pit stop differential, but one stop takes half the time of 2 stops.

I can burn through a set of tires on the Vette in 2 laps on this track.

Well, I am only semi-prepared for this one. That track is going to make me all googly eyed before we are done, it is quite a visually busy. Loosing concentration here will be bad.

Make sure you know where the pit entrance is (right before the last turn) and do a stop before the race during practice! I have noticed that if (for HH) you have run you car with RS tires before the race (online etc), you can change your tires to SS when you go into the track, but in the pits, it will still default to RS tires. This is especially bad since when you are in a race with restricted tires, the RS are not available, so for some stupid reason it seems to default to CS tires!

I've taking 0 laps in either car to this point. I'll probably take an hour around lunch to get in a few before the race.

Ok... took about 6 laps (3 in each car), I should be good.

My Z06 is very gentle on the tires, I an not anticipating a stop. That said, my Focus destroys them in 2 laps.

I think I've fixed my snap-oversteer issue in the Z06. I think it was brake bias. I've moved it more forward and that problem has disappeared. Now, I just have to be much more gentle on the brake pedal or I lock the fronts.