History in the Making: Russian Invasion

aircooled said:

The United States has not recorded any cases of theft of military aid in Ukraine - Ambassador Bridget Brink for Fox News

The ambassador admitted that Ukraine, like other post-Soviet countries, has problems with corruption, but the full-scale invasion changed the situation and now Ukraine is actively fighting it.

In addition, the US Embassy carries out enhanced oversight of assistance to Ukraine - this is done by a third of the mission's staff, as well as representatives of the US Office of Inspector General from three different departments.

“I can say that not a single piece of equipment was used for other purposes; not a single unit of humanitarian aid or any other direct budgetary support or other types of assistance,” Brink emphasized.

"Only a sith deals in absolutes"

The fact that Brink said not a single piece or unit tells me shes lying or unaware. This would be more believable if she said it was a very small amount or immaterial, but thats bad politically.

Nathan JansenvanDoorn said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

You're completely wrong if you think "I don't like your link to Time magazine". How you reached that conclusion from my post beggars belief and only reinforces my point. 

Watching people continuously cry about Anthony and the constant "not in this thread" hurled at only certain viewpoints is much more aggravating than anything someone else posts.

Nathan JansenvanDoorn said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

You're completely wrong if you think "I don't like your link to Time magazine". How you reached that conclusion from my post beggars belief and only reinforces my point. 

You aren't responding to the article presented at all just throwing vitriol my direction.  Remember this latest spat started with a link.  Instead of reading and responding to that, we got a lot of this.  Anytime someone presents anything outside the predecided narrative this is always the result no matter who it is.  I'm sure you would rather I go somewhere else instead of pointing that out.

At this point, all anyone needs to do to expose the narrative is post a link or ask a question.  All of my comments you hate is just me responding in kind.  I'm not going to be shamed into silence just because you don't like it either.  My behavior isn't nearly as bad as what is being thrown at me, it's just not popular. Just about anything is more important than being popular.  So keep throwing shade for likes.  It'll work eventually.  

In reply to Appleseed :

Why do you insist on telling me how to post?  That will always be a pass.  And what happened to the new threads others started to show me how I'm wrong about free speech?  

Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

AnthonyGS: Congratulations, I almost never visit this thread anymore because you've sh-t it up so much. Proud?

So the thread you started to get me to act the way you insisted I should didn't work?  I'm gonna admit, I'm not unhappy about that.
 

This thread didn't need to hide or censor others, but that was the chosen path.  If me pointing that out bothers you, I can live with that.

While the number of people saying this war was going differently was small in number and they were all attacked for going against the narrative, it's pretty safe to say the hidden posts and attacked posters probably had valid concerns.  Discuss that.  
 

Instead of addressing that, many keep attacking me personally.  Okay, have fun.

And for the record, the reason this thread doesn't get visited much is because all of the narrative is wrong and always was wrong.  Read the Time article.  Then realize all the posts you hate provided the same information a long time ago.  Again, this was all easily predictable.  

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

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Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

AnthonyGS: Congratulations, I almost never visit this thread anymore because you've sh-t it up so much. Proud?

So the thread you started to get me to act the way you insisted I should didn't work?  I'm gonna admit, I'm not unhappy about that.
 

This thread didn't need to hide or censor others, but that was the chosen path.  If me pointing that out bothers you, I can live with that.

While the number of people saying this war was going differently was small in number and they were all attacked for going against the narrative, it's pretty safe to say the hidden posts and attacked posters probably had valid concerns.  Discuss that.  
 

Instead of addressing that, many keep attacking me personally.  Okay, have fun.

And for the record, the reason this thread doesn't get visited much is because all of the narrative is wrong and always was wrong.  Read the Time article.  Then realize all the posts you hate provided the same information a long time ago.  Again, this was all easily predictable.  

 

This thread was largely cheerleading Ukraine, with some good commentary (air-cooled and 02), now that the propaganda machine is showing the cracks of what's really going on, not much reason for most to come in here and tell us about Russia's economy or population collapsing or whatever the propaganda machine was lying about

In reply to Appleseed :

Do you actually believe that?  I'm not the one telling everyone HOW to post.  
 

I 100% wanted to discuss the war.  I just had concerns about proxy, economic destruction of our country, and issues with corruption that no one was willing to discuss.  Instead of actually discussing those issues, people came after me for raising what we all know now are valid concerns.  Here's an idea.  Instead of attacking me, go after the issues.  If me sticking up for myself bothers you, I'm sorry for that but I'm not going to stop doing it.  
 

This reply from you is just another example of that.  
 

In reply to Opti :

There is never any satisfaction in that in my experience.

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

I disagree, it tickles my pickle

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In reply to Appleseed :

Do you actually believe that?  I'm not the one telling everyone HOW to post.  
 

I 100% wanted to discuss the war.  I just had concerns about proxy, economic destruction of our country, and issues with corruption that no one was willing to discuss.  Instead of actually discussing those issues, people came after me for raising what we all know now are valid concerns.  Here's an idea.  Instead of attacking me, go after the issues.  If me sticking up for myself bothers you, I'm sorry for that but I'm not going to stop doing it.  
 

This reply from you is just another example of that.  
 

 

 

So no one is willing to discuss the entire topic of this war now?  Will you be willing in 20 years like the Iraq thread?  Why wait?  

Appleseed said:

In reply to Opti :

Because hes flat out worn out his welcome here. Every single one of us here have had a go at bickering.  Some more than others, but all of us. It's a deep thread. But the other guy is nearly 100% consistent. Even to others infinitely more knowledgeable on the subect, it's the same ugly attitude. The underlying message of most of his irrelevant posts might be heard, and even discussed if it wasn't for that attitude. It's been pointed out, by scores of people, ad nauseam, and nothing has changed. So, the only message we have left in our arsenal is the big red FU thumbs down button.

As for myself,  I straight up don't like him.  Period.

Exhibit A

Also you should make another thread. This thread is only for news about the Russia-Ukraine war.

In reply to Appleseed :

My attitude is 100% reflection.  I see you don't like it.  So why should I? 

Appleseed said:

In reply to Opti :

I see what you just did. And yes, I was fully aware of the irony while I was creating the post.

So you are aware but did it anyway because it's the popular opinion here.  So again, why should I like it?  Why should I respond in a way pleases you?  

You interestingly got one thing right, I'm consistent,  I'm treating you just like you treat me.  Not fun is it?  

Appleseed said:

If as many members here had issues with my attitude as they do your attitude,  I'd be doing some serious introspection.

What if everyone is taking issue with me because their position on this issue is almost indefensible at this point?  See you think I'm a bad person.  I have no issues with anyone in this topic.  The position presented by those people that have issue with me is the actual issue.  
 

This is modern society.  If your position on a social issue is garbage, go personal.  Normally that will silence people achieving a desired result.

You want to know why this thread is dying and resorted to be about me?  This is why.  The position presented in the first 300 pages is now shown to be mostly incorrect.  All of the downvoted, hidden posts and attacked posters knew how this was most likely to turn out.  You and so many others hate that so much, you have nothing left but insults and censorship.  I'd suggest that deserted introspection too, but I don't think the people making demands of me are actually capable of that.

I'm still seeking a middle ground of truth.  To many truth doesn't matter as much as forum or social media likes.  Invariably when you have criteria more important than fact, this will always happen.  Being upset at me won't fix your problem.  It's really strange because I don't even know you.  You seem to think you know me.  
 

And let's be specific.  You are saying my attitude is bad, but your real beef is how I respond to your personal attacks.  You don't like it, and I'm not required to respond in a way that pleases you.  
 

If you want me to stop, cut out the personal stuff and address the article posted.