How is this even possible (1st amendment content)?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/23/entertainment/tiny-doo-rap-conspiracy-charges/index.html

Just about anything is possible. The Constitution, especially the bill of rights, has been pretty much null and void for some time now.

I can't stand rap anyway, and can't stand thugs or the glory given to gangs, but I really hope he wins this case and can keep doing what he does.

tuna55 wrote: I can't stand rap anyway, and can't stand thugs or the glory given to gangs, but I really hope he wins this case and can keep doing what he does.

Wanted to say the same thing. Beat me to it.

T.J. wrote: Just about anything is possible. The Constitution, especially the bill of rights, has been pretty much null and void for some time now.

I used to think that the Towers being an inside job was a preposterous proposition also...but looking back, following the money trail, and seeing how the government has taken up the lead in delivering fear to your doorstep, makes me wonder. The constitution has pretty much been cancelled in case you did not notice.

Wow.

tuna55 wrote: I can't stand rap anyway, and can't stand thugs or the glory given to gangs, but I really hope he wins this case and can keep doing what he does.

I agree.

I do, however, wonder what he has already served time for. There may be something missing here.

I wish that as a whole our country wasn't obsessed with glorification of violence, whether it be war, gangs, or whatever, but I think it has a far more detrimental affect on impoverished urban youth. In the case of rap, I hate that it can influence youths to the ideas that they too can become successful if they follow in the footsteps of Fiddycent.

I'm happy to see the popularity of white rappers who advocate for peace and love like MacLemore.

Hungary Bill wrote:

tuna55 wrote: I can't stand rap anyway, and can't stand thugs or the glory given to gangs, but I really hope he wins this case and can keep doing what he does.

Wanted to say the same thing. Beat me to it.

Ditto to you both, and TJ has a point as well.....especially in California, the BoR seems to be regarded as unrecycled toilet paper.

Conversely, if there are lyrics that describe intimate details that could show said rapper was present, then more power to them while they figure out wtf he knows.

+1 to TJ and Tuna.

while my kneejerk is to despise the person and what he does, stopping it through that manner is disagreeable to my tastes due to the precedent it could set. They need to find a better way.

PHeller wrote: I wish that as a whole our country wasn't obsessed with glorification of violence, whether it be war, gangs, or whatever, but I think it has a far more detrimental affect on impoverished urban youth. In the case of rap, I hate that it can influence youths to the ideas that they too can become successful if they follow in the footsteps of Fiddycent. I'm happy to see the popularity of white rappers who advocate for peace and love like MacLemore.

i grew up listening to heavy metal in the 80's and 90's and i don't worship satan... yet...

It appears this law passed sometime in 2000. I wonder if any of the 90s West Coast rappers perform any of their hits on stage in CA now. Pretty sure I've heard worse out of former members of NWA.

NOHOME wrote:

T.J. wrote: Just about anything is possible. The Constitution, especially the bill of rights, has been pretty much null and void for some time now.

I used to think that the Towers being an inside job was a preposterous proposition also...but looking back, following the money trail, and seeing how the government has taken up the lead in delivering fear to your doorstep, makes me wonder. The constitution has pretty much been cancelled in case you did not notice.

Occam's Razor: Successful/influential people probably got to their positions because they are able to quickly capitalize on any given situation. This is far more believable than a necessarily vast conspiracy that still hasn't had any glory-seeking individuals come out with "the real story". (Because there always are)

All anti-gov't sentiment aside, if this case were valid, then Nate Dogg should have been imprisoned for the "bodies he turned cold" in "Regulate", along with every gangsta rapper from the 90's. Snoop Dogg was a crip, for God's sake!!!

I'll be the first to say that mainstream hip-hop has gone to complete E36 M3 at this point, but this case is just dumb.

As cynical as I am, I feel fairly certain that this will fail due to the first amendment. IANAL, of course.

> if there are lyrics that describe intimate details that could show said rapper was present, then more power to them while they figure out wtf he knows.

No, that's not how it works. IF there is evidence that he was present, they're welcome to charge him and THEN figure out what he knows.

But you don't get to assume someone is guilty -- or was even present -- based on what they talk about.

That's it then. Neil Young was responsible for killing those 4 in Ohio. Let's arrest him. I don't like his music either.

Whatever. The Beatles created Chuck Manson.

Rapper in jail, wot? That's not news. Call me when they've got Barry Manilow in chains!

I may not agree with what he says. However, I will defend his RIGHT to say it. The first amendment isn't there to protect the people that say things everyone agrees with, it is there to protect people like me that say things no one agrees with.

Looks like CA passed a State law that (based on what they article says) should be pretty easy to overturn as violating Federal law (it's certainly happened before).

Of course, if you don't have the money to go up the line... your screwed.

Those clothes Duncan is wearing during that CNN interview, is that how the man would normally dress?

I'll just go ahead and play the devil advocate on this one?

I am betting the Police have something else on this guy and could but haven't formally charged him due to something. This big show is then put on by his lawyers (who can afford somehow to get him this airtime but took how long to spring bail money?) to distract and dilute the fact this guy really is caught up in some bad E36 M3.

If you take off this guys collar and sweater... Let him dress and speak as he normally does... Nobody is the world is going to give a E36 M3 about his story. Then if the police don't nail him on what they really want to nail him on... He goes free and ends up shot dead in a drug deal, or OD's in the next few years.

It seems bogus to lock him up over lyrics.. Really bogus.. But I imagine there is something in those lyrics connecting him directly to a crime, and not just 'rapping about a gun" as his lawyer would suggest.

"Tiny Doo", huh? Sounds like he needs more fiber in his diet.

Sure hope there's more to the story than what's here. Remember, you're only getting his/his lawyer's side of the story here.

Dr. Hess wrote: That's it then. Neil Young was responsible for killing those 4 in Ohio. Let's arrest him. I don't like his music either.

No kidding. He just kept saying it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and...

Toyman01 wrote: +1 to TJ and Tuna.

And here. I honestly detest rap and what it glorifies but that doesn't mean the guy should go to jail over lyrics even if they are in exceptionally poor taste.

I too wonder why the guy is in the slammer in the first place. There's an excellent chance a large part of the story has been left out.