I berkeleying hate Apple – Major rant coming from an ex cult member

Music ripped from CD and converted to MP3 yourself usually doesn't have DRM attached.

Any music you download as an MP3 with DRM attached should be able to be "backed up" to CD and then retrieved from said CD and is now DRM free.

scardeal wrote: I really like my iPhone, but on the desktop space I feel like they're starting to give up. I'm starting to drift back into the "I really want Linux to work for me" camp. Now that I can get Netflix 4k on my TV (and I guess on Ubuntu Chrome?), the only real barrier left is the DRM-protected music (solutions would be much appreciated) and maybe the real deal Office. I'm getting aggravated with their traditional computer offerings. They're much slower to release hardware based on new cpus, gpus, etc. They haven't released anything with HDMI 2.0, including the brand new Apple TV. Seriously? At this point, I'd be ready to plunk down money on a new Mac Mini if it had an HDMI 2.0 port. Plus, I don't like the recent practice of fixed RAM and possibly fixed storage.

I don't know of many that aren't giving up on desktops. Sales have just went in the crapper. The only desktops I see moving anymore are the touchscreen or all in ones (Like the iMac) I don't see alot of them move at all.

If I was in the market for a desktop I would build a tri-boot hackintosh with Win 7/OSx/Linux with going to a 4k flat screen.

Let's play.

Flight Service wrote:

I bet that's an old comic. Sadly, when the first iPhone came out, this trend made a quick about-face, headed back for the proprietary & commercial software hell of the '90s.

Browsers work well for content consumption... not so much for content creation beyond email an text documents. And in that area, there is a large difference between Mac/PC/Linux.

I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

In reply to wbjones:

Yes, but you are yelling it from the middle of the desert with no one for 100 miles around you.

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

That was me 15 years ago; These days I'm practically a cyborg.

nderwater wrote:

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

That was me 15 years ago; These days I'm practically a cyborg.

can't see that happening here … to damned old

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

Hell yes! I'm right there with you. I might be slightly interested in a portable device if any of them worked worth a damn. Between finicky touch screens and wireless (lack of) connectivity, the manufacturers can keep them. I'll keep my full-sized keyboard and a wired network. Let me know when they work the bugs out.

1988RedT2 wrote:

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

Hell yes! I'm right there with you. I might be slightly interested in a portable device if any of them worked worth a damn. Between finicky touch screens and wireless (lack of) connectivity, the manufacturers can keep them. I'll keep my full-sized keyboard and a wired network. Let me know when they work the bugs out.

Have you even looked at one since 2005 or so? Because those bugs got worked out a LONG time ago.

1988RedT2 wrote:

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

Hell yes! I'm right there with you. I might be slightly interested in a portable device if any of them worked worth a damn. Between finicky touch screens and wireless (lack of) connectivity, the manufacturers can keep them. I'll keep my full-sized keyboard and a wired network. Let me know when they work the bugs out.

How old are you two?

can't speak for 1988redT2 … but, yes, you're thinking correctly … Im 66 …

but regardless of age .. I really don't understand the move to larger and larger "mobile" devices …

and for what it's worth I was a mobile phone user before many of y'all were born

I was a bench tech for a company called Dial Page … mainly pagers (belt beepers … still in use, especially in hospitals) we had mobile phones (mainly vehicle mounted) back in the '70's

and as an on-call tech I had a pager AND a phone … they operated off of a single tower (essentially a tower mounted business radio, and a 25w radio mounted in the trunk, with a cop size whip antenna)

especially here in the mountains, range was somewhat limited … but as an analog device, you didn't drop the call unless the signal was totally blocked … at first they operated in in a mobile radio mode … I can remember the excitement when we got portable devices, and they operated in duplex

as for my cell phone, it's only on when I'm out and about … at home it's still the land land

and to Flight Service … you don't have it in your profile, but I'd assume you're one of those kids that I'm always running off my lawn

Tom_Spangler wrote:

1988RedT2 wrote:

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

Hell yes! I'm right there with you. I might be slightly interested in a portable device if any of them worked worth a damn. Between finicky touch screens and wireless (lack of) connectivity, the manufacturers can keep them. I'll keep my full-sized keyboard and a wired network. Let me know when they work the bugs out.

Have you even looked at one since 2005 or so? Because those bugs got worked out a LONG time ago.

Most of my recent experience is with iPhone 3, 4, 5, and third generation iPad. E36 M3 don't work. Well, it works, but who has time for the aggravation? It's amazing what you kids will put up with to have the latest gadget. Yay, Materialism!

In reply to wbjones:

I used to deal with Dial Page when I was a Vol. Firefighter. I turn 40 this year, so if you have been a crank since you were in your 30's then probably!!!

The touch screen stuff works fine now. Although with your old wrinked nubs for fingers and lack of proper blood circulation you need one built within the last 4 years for the screen to be able to pick it up.

I am a prime candidate for the phablets (large smart phone = phablet = phone + tablet) as I am 6'5" have the hands and back hair of an orangutan and really don't make alot of phone calls anymore. Maybe 2 a day average, mostly to my wife. If you get a nice piece of kit and don't skimp (iphone 6+/ipad mini) or the Android hardward equivelant (Samsung Galaxy 6 ect) and avoid the knock off cheap stuff that is rampant in the Android line up, you shouldn't have a problem.

You're old.

1988RedT2 wrote: Most of my recent experience is with iPhone 3, 4, 5, and third generation iPad. E36 M3 don't work. Well, it works, but who has time for the aggravation? It's amazing what you kids will put up with to have the latest gadget. Yay, Materialism!

I am still using a iPhone 4s, because it still works. What was it doing? or maybe you just don't like touch screens.

1988RedT2 wrote:

Tom_Spangler wrote:

1988RedT2 wrote:

wbjones wrote: I'm totally happy with a desk top … got almost zero interest in a portable device .. is this a "get off my lawn" situation

Hell yes! I'm right there with you. I might be slightly interested in a portable device if any of them worked worth a damn. Between finicky touch screens and wireless (lack of) connectivity, the manufacturers can keep them. I'll keep my full-sized keyboard and a wired network. Let me know when they work the bugs out.

Have you even looked at one since 2005 or so? Because those bugs got worked out a LONG time ago.

Most of my recent experience is with iPhone 3, 4, 5, and third generation iPad. E36 M3 don't work. Well, it works, but who has time for the aggravation? It's amazing what you kids will put up with to have the latest gadget. Yay, Materialism!

I have an iPhone 6+ and am 52 years old. I have no problems with my phone in use (and I use it for a lot of non-phone apps, as I mentioned before). No aggravation or "putting up " with anything to use it. My wife and I dropped the land line because the ony thing we got on it was telemarketers. Who has time for the aggravation?

Flight Service wrote: In reply to wbjones: I used to deal with Dial Page when I was a Vol. Firefighter. I turn 40 this year, so if you have been a crank since you were in your 30's then probably!!! The touch screen stuff works fine now. Although with your old wrinked nubs for fingers and lack of proper blood circulation you need one built within the last 4 years for the screen to be able to pick it up. I am a prime candidate for the phablets (large smart phone = phablet = phone + tablet) as I am 6'5" have the hands and back hair of an orangutan and really don't make alot of phone calls anymore. Maybe 2 a day average, mostly to my wife. If you get a nice piece of kit and don't skimp (iphone 6+/ipad mini) or the Android hardward equivelant (Samsung Galaxy 6 ect) and avoid the knock off cheap stuff that is rampant in the Android line up, you shouldn't have a problem. You're old.

1988RedT2 wrote: Most of my recent experience is with iPhone 3, 4, 5, and third generation iPad. E36 M3 don't work. Well, it works, but who has time for the aggravation? It's amazing what you kids will put up with to have the latest gadget. Yay, Materialism!

I am still using a iPhone 4s, because it still works. What was it doing? or maybe you just don't like touch screens.

no way in heck I'm going to pay that much for a phone .. I seldom use it … place the occasional call, receive the less occasional call (because it's usually turned off) and text when needed

about the only thing I could use a better phone for would be for live timing and scoring at the track and maybe Harry's Lap Timer … but since my phone comes with >1000 min each time I re-new at $100/6mo … (over 12000 min on it right now ….

so yeah …mid 30's when I got my Elec.tech degree .. haven't worked in the field since the late '90's …. retired now …barley remember the difference in a resistor and a compositor .. LOL

In reply to wbjones:

I bought my phone on Craigslist for $150 and my wifes iphone 5 for $150 (bought about 9 months apart) and pay $79 a month for our cell plan with data and no contract...I use about 1.2gigs of data a month and my wife uses the same. I use about 300 minutes a month and my wife uses π*c^∞ minutes, so it is a good deal as we do not have a landline either and two kids.

I don't do the big $ phones either. I just said I am a good candidate for a phablet not that I am spending that much money on one.

like I said … 12000 + min stored already … $100 per six mo. does everything I REALLY need … for nearly 3 times as much, I can do without Race Keeper and Harry's Lap Timer

maybe someday … but I'm really cheap as E36 M3

I have an Iphone 5c but am I no member of the cult. It was the best option for me at the time and i've had no issues with it so I stay with it.