I hate mices to pieces

Jensenman wrote: Yeah, it's gotten out of hand. But now we get to the nub. According to the ASPCA it's OK to torture them by drowning (according to an earlier post) but not OK to let them starve. Ever heard a near drowning victim describe the experience? Yeah, great alternative to starvation.

Perhaps you should learn about the mechanisms of drowning before you prattle on.

Starvation takes days, and is a long and painful process. Drowning takes a couple of minutes, and death is via asphyxiation. Let's not also forget the fact the physical injury the animal will endure trying to to get off that glue trap while this happens.

The ASPCA would never advocate a method of death that is torturous. In fact, I've yet to see where they have actually said this. Provide a link or I'll assume you are making this up.

Jensenman wrote: Right. When you come up with a better argument than 'IMHO killing that way is just wrong and that you are an aimal torturing jerk but my way is OK just because I personally think it's less painful' but with no ~real~ evidence to back it up get back to me. 'Holier than thou' doesn't play well anywhere.

I have given you three links that describe what happens with these animals while on the glue traps for too long, one cites a source that is a scientific study. One is actually a video of these things. There is my evidence, and it's definitely real. Here, I'll do it again at your leisure - or is it not real enough for you? It is not my opinion. It is fact. A quick blow to the head will kill something as small as a mouse very, very quickly - it is better than leaving it to starve to death in your trash bin. These aren't brick walls for heaven's sake, they are fragile animals less than 1/50th your size. That you'd try and argue this point staggers me. It is as clear as daylight and you're ignoring it and the evidence I provided because you can't admit what you did was extremely cruel and the better choice was there.

Yes, leaving a mouse to starve to death (and causing it to self mutilate) on a glue trap in your rubbish bin is wrong. You treated it like some kind of inanimate piece of rubbish - the fact that you'd say this is somehow better than a physical blow to the head for the quick kill is the height of ludicrousness. It seems you're arguing on the side of gore and your own squeamishness rather than the suffering of the animal.

It is less painful when you actually look at the evidence I presented. In fact, there is possibly no more painless a method save for cervical dislocation or CO2. Look at it from your perspective, if you're going to have something hit your head that is significantly heavier than you with the force of 50+ men behind it (let's say it is a giant boulder), then you will be KOed and killed instantly. Take the weight of whatever you are using, and your body size into consideration - and take into consideration how small a mouse is. Get the picture yet?

Don't know about you, but I'd rather die like that then be stuck on glue waiting to die, pulling skin off and starving.

mtn wrote: I personally agree with you that the glue traps are cruel and if used mice should be put out of their misery quickly, but it really sounds like you are taking one event of Jensenmans life and blowing it completely out of proportion.

Out of proportion? No way... not saying he's evil or anything like that. The most I've said that it is incredibly cruel and quite a disgusting thing to do. Which it is. It's an inhumane and jerkish thing to do to a helpless animal, who is at the complete mercy of the trapper.

I believe I have shown a lot of restraint here, unnecessary cruelty to animals like that makes me pretty angry. So I decided to point it out, and bite my tongue in the process. His latest post in particular seems to ignore every level of common sense.

HenryC-who are you really? 15 posts and they are all in this thread. Reeks of an alter ego troll to me.

HenryC wrote: Out of proportion? No way... not saying he's evil or anything like that. The most I've said that it is incredibly cruel and quite a disgusting thing to do. Which it is. It's an inhumane and jerkish thing to do to a helpless animal, who is at the complete mercy of the trapper.

Yes way. The out of proportion comes when you keep trying to argue the point. Give it up dude, chances are he won't be using the glue anymore anyways.

mtn wrote: Yes way. The out of proportion comes when you keep trying to argue the point. Give it up dude, chances are he won't be using the glue anymore anyways.

That's because I'm only replying to his posts on the matter. There have been quite a few things said that needed to be addressed, some of it because it didn't make much sense.

I mean, he's arguing that leaving the poor thing on the trap to expire is better and more painless than a mercy kill! What the hell does he think a glue trap is? Doesn't he realise what they do to themselves on them? It's so damn ignorant that I have to make mention of it.

MrJoshua wrote: HenryC-who are you really? 15 posts and they are all in this thread. Reeks of an alter ego troll to me.

His boss at the ASPCA just called me and told me to tell him to get back to work.

I just swatted a fly...was that inhumane? I imagine fly paper would have been worse though...

hey there is another fly on the window time to get to killin'...

And what the hell would a trapper need a glue trap for bigger game?

For trapping animals. Works well when doing certain types of nuisance work.

I suspect a professional blogger at work. I've been seeing more of these types. They seem to google up whatever they work on, then jump in the forum with whatever opinion they are paid to spout. He signed up today. This thread came up, what, yesterday? Google picks it up, keywords "forum, mouse trap", etc. There's an English economic reporter I follow, (AEP, if'n ya'll are "in the know"). Below his articles are comments by the readers. Sort of a blog section. Whenever he puts an article up on China, ALWAYS several obviously Chinese bloggers come in, usually admitting they are Chinese and start defending China in very good English. When he (AEP) goes after the US, or Greece, or Spain, no Chinese bloggers. But someone starts in on the CHINESE TRADE DEFICIT, CHINA IS BUYING UP ALL OUR TREASURY BONDS, CHINA HAS SLAVE LABOR MAKING YOUR SHOES, LETS TALK ABOUT TIENANMEN SQUARE and a blogger pops up disputing the post. Just like skappes-it-over only popping up around election times. He's about due, now, isn't he, or did they lose their funding for this round, giving it to the R's in an attempt to calm things down a bit? Anyway, I'm calling TROLL on this one. Sorry, Henry. We're actually HONEST and UPFRONT with who we are around here. FULL DISCLOSURE next time, umm-kay?

HenryC wrote: Perhaps you should learn about the mechanisms of drowning before you prattle on.

I R done prattling; I have mice to torture. Wonder how a cigarette coal would do on an eyeball? Once that's done, I can move on to boiling kittens. After that... Jeffrey Dahmer, you have competition breathing down your neck.

Or maybe I'll just go wrench on the race car instead.

Jensenman wrote:

HenryC wrote: Perhaps you should learn about the mechanisms of drowning before you prattle on.

I R done prattling; I have mice to torture. Wonder how a cigarette coal would do on an eyeball? Once that's done, I can move on to boiling kittens. After that... Jeffrey Dahmer, you have competition breathing down your neck. Or maybe I'll just go wrench on the race car instead.

Damn cats have killed all of mine, can I come play at your house. I'll bring the cigarettes and I think I have a 14kv transformer around here somewhere. Maybe we can just make the eyeballs pop out.

mtn wrote:

No, you're supposed to hit the head, even if the horse is dead already.

foxtrapper wrote: For trapping animals. Works well when doing certain types of nuisance work.

For something like a raccoon? Hmm, yeah, whatever matey.

Dr. Hess wrote: Anyway, I'm calling TROLL on this one. Sorry, Henry. We're actually HONEST and UPFRONT with who we are around here. FULL DISCLOSURE next time, umm-kay?

Irrelevant squabble that's simply an ad hominem attack. Honest and upfront - would that be more so were my name "Robert" instead?

Um, dude... do you have any cars?

Lesley wrote: Um, dude... do you have any cars?

Man. It would take a HUGE glue trap for that one. I better get a bigger trash can, too.

Oh, sorry; 'rubbish bin'. I'm guessin' Henry is a Brit.

Got you covered mate.

Looking at all the hate on the internet I'm guessing he's a member of P.eople E.ating T.asty A.nimals.

I will say their traps catch much more interesting wildlife.

Nice catch! Hey, wonder why they didn't just use a big ol' snap trap on her?

I think this whole thread has become one big glue trap.

As others have said I'm thinking "Henry" is just a troll looking to stir the pot and try to force his opinions and beliefs down the throats of everyone he can.

Ahh, so PETA, or People Eating Tasty Animals, is googling "GLUE TRAP MICE FORUM" and then trying to cause trouble. OK, now we know. And, googling works both ways:

HenryC posting in forums on Mice, Gluetraps: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2033347&page=6 http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=79774&page=2

We seem to have accidentally stumbled into HenryC's personal mission to end glue traps.

That's Detective Dr. Hess to you, punk.

Bye bye, troll.

I said good day, Troll!

Excellent huntin', Dr Hess! I'd say you winged one of these:

Funny thing: one guy in the thread said his wife did what mine did: wanted glue traps 'cause they were 'nice' but when confronted with the reality of what to do with the 'humanely trapped' vermin got real squeamish. Henry, if you are wasting more time around here, 'turning green' in the American vernacular refers to nausea. As in 'green around the gills'.