I just don't get it. Do they not look outside?

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As of 8:44 a.m. PST

• House Republicans urged to oppose Obama's stimulus bill • Gates: Afghan war is America's 'greatest military challenge' • Ill. Gov. Blagojevich considering legal action if impeached • Home prices plunged a record 18.2 percent in November • Ice, snow storm wreaks havoc from Plains to East; seven dead • Global warming 'irreversible' for next 1,000 years, study finds

Am I the only one that doesn't understand this? Global warming with record ice storms and snowfall? I should point out that there's already 3" of snow outside and it's still falling, which is really rare for this area at the end of January. After we already had one of the worst winters, ever.

I'm just pissed that the impeding snow is most likely going to cancel my night class tomorrow. Great when you're a student, a major PITA when you're a teacher. Can't wait to re-shuffle my syllabus.

Sure, this winter has been brutal, but last winter was alarming in its lack of snow and sub-freezing days. Either way, I'm SO ready for Spring.

^+1

Spring equals track days...Yummy

P71 wrote: Am I the only one that doesn't understand this? Global warming with record ice storms and snowfall? I should point out that there's already 3" of snow outside and it's still falling, which is *really* rare for this area at the end of January. After we already had one of the worst winters, *ever*.

Global warming will increase the amount of precipitation in North America. Global warming is not this "thing" where everyone's face is going to melt off, what you'll see is the increase in the average temperature by a few degrees over several decades. This isn't really enough for humans to feel, but when you're talking plants and other small organisms, it means a world a difference. If you understood any ecology, you would see how this would make everything all gally wampus.

Global warming isn't neccesarily bad, and for most of the earth's history it has been MUCH warmer. Species go extinct and new species evolve, that's the name of the game. So why is global warming a problem? There are simply too many humans. When the oceans rise, there will not be enough land area to feed, house, and provide other resources for humans to live the way they do and sustain the same numbers.

my .02 as an environmental science major.

Winter in my area has been on the light side for the past few years, since '02/'03. Just this past week it has finally been dipping down to 0, but we are back to 31 now. Also we get fewer snow storms. I only need to run the snow blower once ever week or two, not every 2-3 days like in the past.

I still can't wait to leave the land of road salt, for the car's sake.

Monkeywrench wrote: Global warming will increase the amount of precipitation in North America. Global warming is not this "thing" where everyone's face is going to melt off,

BUT IN TEH DAY AFTAR TOMARROW THERE WUZ GLOBAL WARMING AND TEH SUN WUZ BEEMING DOWN FROM TEH HEAVUNS AND IT MELTED TEH GOLDIN GAIT BRIDJE!!!!!!

zomg a troll

Global warming isn't necessarily everyone gets weather like Florida...but a global shift in weather patterns, turning deserts to lush grassland, grassland to forest, forests to deserts and the ice caps into oceans.

So if we were to completely ignore the pollution and health problems resulting from the massive amounts of greenhouse gases being emitted, you could say that global warming wouldn't be a big deal. That is until billions of people are forced to relocate from the worlds coasts inward, which would lead to farmland destruction and likely a loss of food production...which would be the real problem.

At least that's what I understand of it.

"Global climate change" not global warming.

I'm not going to get into the debate about global warming but as one of the local TV guys keeps saying, "weather and climate aren't the same thing." Regardless of whether there is global warming or not, one cold winter or one hot summer doesn't mean anything in the whole scope of things. There will always be bumps and dips in the graph, it's the long term trends that count.

The last 3 posts are spot on.

P71 wrote: In the News Ice, snow storm wreaks havoc from Plains to East

Global warming. You're looking in a regional capacity.

It doesn't make sense on the whole to me either, but apparently ice-caps are melting, and like Monkey said above, it will eventually flood land. Cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria!

Once we all have dirt-powered Trebants, there will be no more climate change. Duh.

Sigh. Here we go again.

We are actually in a rather temperate time between Ice Ages and yes the climate will change, with us or without us.

The American Midwest used to be mostly covered by a shallow ocean, fer chrissakes. Glaciers used to cover North America as far south as Georgia. There are dinosaur fossils in Alaska and fossil trilobites at the top of the Rockies. The global climate has been shifting back and forth temperature wise for millions of years. Just how the hell are we supposed to stop something like that?!?!?

With legislation. Duh!

poopshovel wrote: Once we all have dirt-powered Trebants, there will be no more climate change. Duh.

Actually burning dirt would release a good deal of trapped CO2, if the dirt was taken from a deep enough point. Your best bet would be to burn farts - this will convert it to a less powerful greenhouse gas, and since people don't usually eat fossil fuels it won't introduce additional CO2 into the environment.

I thought the earth was still cooling off from the big bang.

MrJoshua wrote: "Global climate change" not global warming.

Correct. Al can't prove that warming is actually occuring, so now it's "climate change". As a kid we called it "mother nature". Of course what would I know, I didn't create a fake tragedy to get a Nobel. I wonder how they explain the same climate changes on Mars? I wonder if that huge glowing orb in the sky might have a little somethign to do with it?

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon. Mom's coming around to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

I'm praying for rain, and I'm praying for tidal waves. I wanna see the ground give way. I wanna watch it all go down. Mom, please flush it all away. I wanna watch it go right in and down. I wanna watch it go right in. Watch you flush it all away.

From what I understand (not sure if it was in Gore's movie) one of the predicted effect of global warming is that the weather in areas will become a more extreme version of what it already is. E.g. wet areas will get wetter, dry areas will get drier.

That being said, to say any weather pattern that is not spread over at least ten years as some indication of global warming is just silly.

That being said, the planet has been far warmer and far cooler than it is now... that's just nature... humans are part of nature... (Jurassic Park quote:) nature finds a way.

MrJoshua wrote: With legislation. Duh!

[Homer] D'oh! [/Homer]

50 years ago we,my dad, got out in the fields in March. Can't do that now. Usually mid to late April.

MrJoshua wrote: "Global climate change" not global warming.

Although one commonly hears that when somebody says that it's cooler than normal, or if there's a extended cold streak.

OTOH, heat waves and bad summer weather are commonly blamed on global warming.

So, it's NOT the same when the weather is colder/against warming, but it IS the same when it's warmer/for warming.

Yea, that's credible.

BTW, monkeywrench, I'd love to hear how CO2 is bad for you in the concentrations that we have. As far as I know, the nasty chemicals that are regulated as pollutants are not exactly greenhouse gasses.

It bugs me MORE how people keep claiming that cars are some terrible polluter, when the actual physiological chemicals are very, very well treated (at least in the US). But now that CO2 is claimed to be a pollutant, then cars/truck are the enemy again.... Yet again, such a credible argument.

Eric

Considering that the Earth has been here for HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of years, and we've got recorded data for a couple hundred (at most) years, I'd say we are a bit ambitious to assume we know what's going to happen. When the same "experts" cannot get their models they've used to predict this climate change to predict past climate history, I'm not real impressed.

The earth was hotter in the times of the dinosaurs, it was colder with the caveman. We're in the middle.

Bobzilla wrote: Considering that the Earth has been here for HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of years, and we've got recorded data for a couple hundred (at most) years, I'd say we are a bit ambitious to assume we know what's going to happen. When the same "experts" cannot get their models they've used to predict this climate change to predict past climate history, I'm not real impressed. The earth was hotter in the times of the dinosaurs, it was colder with the caveman. We're in the middle.

Look, I'm not saying anything, see, I've got it under control. flinch