I've got a guy on his third strike. It really pisses me off because he is a good worker other than about once a month he will tie one on and doesn't show up for work the next day or two. No phone call no nothing. Since we are a small company with only 3 people it really screws up my already tight schedule. About one more time and he will get the axe. I would really rather he get his head on straight.
Good luck with your problem.
ignorant wrote:Marty! Good to the last drop.... wrote:I'm half these dudes age...ignorant wrote:I've been in situations similar to this before. Being the new boss is never fun as it seems there is always somebody that's going to see how far they can push to test your patience/abilities/boundary's. Even worse if you are significantly younger than them. Eventually they will come to respect you or they get made an example of. Hopefully for his own good he will realize that you don't E36M3 where you eat.aussiesmg wrote: Is he a benefit to your needs, if his E36 M3tiness outweighs his value, dump his stoopid arseHe's been with the company 37 years. I've been with the company 6 months. ugggghhhh.... three steward calls in 12 hours..... I need another beer.
How often does your age become an issue when dealing with people? When I worked outside it wasn't much of an issue but i was moved inside a depot this week where I am more involved with assigning work and it has come up a few times. I almost sent someone home because he wasn't going to take orders from someone "younger than his kids"
Wally wrote: I almost sent someone home because he wasn't going to take orders from someone "younger than his kids"
I became a foreman at 25. I used to get that all the time. 
I hated firing people for the same reasons you mentioned. It took a lot to push me to that point, but the question came down to: was the company we all depended on for a livelihood better off without this individual's current behavior? Yes? Counsel and document. Counsel and document. Counsel and document. Then they were gone if that didn't work. But man I hated it.
About unemployment: it comes down to who the unemployment counselor is going to believe and how bad do they want that person out of their office and/or life. I gots a good story about that one.
one of my co-workers gives me E36 M3 all the time for being "younger than his daughter". We have the same job, and I am decidedly better at it than he is. I will give him respect when he works hard enough to deserve it.
Wally wrote How often does your age become an issue when dealing with people? When I worked outside it wasn't much of an issue but i was moved inside a depot this week where I am more involved with assigning work and it has come up a few times. I almost sent someone home because he wasn't going to take orders from someone "younger than his kids"
All the time. My secretary is virtually unmanagable (I didnt hire her, my supervisor did) because she is 50 yrs old and has kids my age. She wont do a damn thing I ask her to do. She thinks I am a spoiled rich kid because I went to college, got a great job, drive a plethora of sweet vehicles (Dodge Ram Cummins, plenty of DSMs, a bunch of bikes, and a 350Z), and own a sweet house in a great part of town. Turns out, I got all this by busting my ass since I was 12 years old and being smarter than the average bear. Meanwhile, her floater of a son, same age as me, lives at home and travels abroad on Mommy (under $10/hr) and Daddy (factory worker, maybe $25/hr tops)'s money for church bullE36 M3. And their daugher is knocked up, married, and living in a E36 M3ty apartment with an unemployed husband who also never went on to school.
I've always been young for my position. I've typically had more trouble with attitude from people who are close to my own age but several steps down the ladder than people who are older than I am.
My technique for older subordinates is to make it clear that that I respect them and earn their respect for me personally (not just my position) before I try to tell them anything. Even then, I try to ask rather than tell whenever possible. It's amazing how well that works. It's sort of like being a green lieutenant in the army, 99% of what you need to know is "carry on sergeant."
I used to do exactly the same thing with younger subordinates, which may have been part of my problem. In retrospect I think my deference may have been misinterpreted. However, I'm getting old enough and far enough up in the hierarchy now that I often expect the younger people to just do what I tell them out of respect for my position (or fear for their jobs). They'll figure out that I didn't get where I am based solely on my looks soon enough.
I can also say that firing people isn't as much fun as you'd think. That said, I had one that I thoroughly enjoyed having walked out the door
How about Mercenary Ax men? Bring in people from the outside to do the firing. It's done more then you think, they just call them outside consultants.
Personally, people have to realise that in economic times like these, if you want to fart around you can expect to be gone. There are plenty of people out of work that will take any job they can, and ANYBODY is replaceable doesn't matter if they are a broom pusher or a CEO, with over 10% Unemployment.
maroon92 wrote: one of my co-workers gives me E36 M3 all the time for being "younger than his daughter". We have the same job, and I am decidedly better at it than he is. I will give him respect when he works hard enough to deserve it.
Please, PLEASE TELL ME you asked him if is daughter is 1) Hot 2) Available
RX Reven' wrote: Your reluctance to take away your report's livelihood is totally understandable…you’re showing compassion & have reverence for the huge ramifications associated with termination.
I need a boss like you. My director seems to take glee in laying off people. But then, he gets a bonus for saved man hours at the end of the year
You should hire the Bobs to do it.
billy3esq wrote: I can also say that firing people isn't as much fun as you'd think. That said, I had one that I thoroughly enjoyed having walked out the door
I think every boss has had one or two of those. The hardest part: you can't let it show. 
aussiesmg wrote: Video his attitude and his repeated errors for reference should it get turned around on you. You can't argue with video.
Triple check the law and company policy first.
I worked in a factory that had a 90 day probation for the assemblers.
On day 90 I sat a guy down to review him and just let him go. The next day his peers told me he was an idiot and was always stealing tools.
Then he was trying for a convenience store manager job and used me as a reference.
slantvaliant wrote:aussiesmg wrote: Video his attitude and his repeated errors for reference should it get turned around on you. You can't argue with video.Triple check the law and company policy first.
ITAR says NEIN! on the video.
I have seen video used MANY times to verify a termination. Don't follow the rules, steal your co-workers tools, mouth off to a customer or boss, outta here.
I rarely have to fire folks, but when I do, it ruins my whole day/week/month. Worst for me was firing an alcoholic that showed up drunk to work. I knew he was a "recovering" alcoholic when I hired him(he told me). We agreed at hiring that if he ever showed up drunk, he'd lose his job. Lasted 4 months. Now several years later he is back at our company for the last two years under a manager who also is a recovering alcoholic. Turned out to be a great mentoring relationship and all has worked out well. I hate firing people, makes me angry to have to do it.
bamalama wrote:Wally wrote: I almost sent someone home because he wasn't going to take orders from someone "younger than his kids"I became a foreman at 25. I used to get that all the time.
My kid has five years of college, managed 40 people for $75,000/year in Atlanta, been in food service almost half his life, is an Assistant General Manager at 25 and is happy with his life.
The new manager is 33, was waiting tables a month ago and texted my kid at 2:30 in the morning "I quit".
I don't get it, why can't you deal with someone younger but obviously much more experienced? It's like saying "I can't work with you because you're taller or shorter than me".
C'ya. no unemployment bennies when ya quit melon head!
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