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Zomby Woof
Zomby Woof UltraDork
9/13/12 10:37 p.m.

I have to admit, that's the best one I've read in a long time.

Grizz
Grizz Dork
9/13/12 10:43 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I'm a squirter. Who knew?
poopshovel wrote: Great. Now what am I supposed to do with this new erection?

It's a shame the mag has to be family friendly, because I would so love to see these make it in.

Duke
Duke PowerDork
9/14/12 8:28 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: You have to give Apple credit for that original plug design.

NO. No, you don't. You must always lambaste Apple for not doing exactly what every other computer company already does, and complain about them charging more for their products.

Then you must quietly rip off every idea, only a few years later, so nobody notices.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 8:32 a.m.
Grizz wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I'm a squirter. Who knew?
poopshovel wrote: Great. Now what am I supposed to do with this new erection?
It's a shame the mag has to be family friendly, because I would so love to see these make it in.

"Hmm, smells like the ocean"

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 8:34 a.m.

For the last few years Apple's been ripping off the other companies and only innovating in the sense that they've found ways to be more evil. Curated computing was a third rail in the computer industry before Apple brought it to the mainstream, and that was a good thing. Before the iPhone came out I was using a device that was more capable than the first couple of iPhones and anyone could develop software for it with no permission from or fees/commission to the manufacturer, just like a desktop computer.

Also inventing a proprietary connector and keeping it on the market is not innovative nor good. Sony did it before them, and many of the '80s proprietary computer makers did it before Sony.

The0retical
The0retical Reader
9/14/12 8:42 a.m.

I have this to say:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-religion-fanatics,12777.html

A team of neuroscientists then observed the brain of an Apple fanatic. Amazingly, Apple stimulates the same parts of the brain that respond to religion, perhaps leading to an explanation of how some people can be so loyal (and defensive) of their personal computing choice.

Even Jimmy Kimmel has his moments.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/apple-iphone-5-the-prank-that-has-gone-viral/291489-11.html

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/14/12 9:09 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: For the last few years Apple's been ripping off the other companies...

Including Samsung? Because Apple won that fight.

And other people flew before the Wright Brothers, made cars before Henry Ford and discovered America before Columbus. Being first isn't always as good as being best, most popular, or the first to prove it.

RealMiniDriver
RealMiniDriver SuperDork
9/14/12 11:19 a.m.

Please avoid snarky comments, but what is the difference between iP4S and iP5, aide from bigger screen?

fastEddie
fastEddie SuperDork
9/14/12 11:23 a.m.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/iphone-5-whats-changed/

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 11:35 a.m.
pinchvalve wrote: Including Samsung? Because Apple won that fight.

Over here they did, in several other countries they didn't. Not saying that Samsung didn't "borrow" the design but this case isn't as clear cut as some people make it sound.

RealMiniDriver
RealMiniDriver SuperDork
9/14/12 11:38 a.m.

Thanks, Eddie.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/12 12:18 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: For the last few years Apple's been ripping off the other companies and only innovating in the sense that they've found ways to be more evil. Curated computing was a third rail in the computer industry before Apple brought it to the mainstream, and that was a good thing. Before the iPhone came out I was using a device that was more capable than the first couple of iPhones and anyone could develop software for it with no permission from or fees/commission to the manufacturer, just like a desktop computer. Also inventing a proprietary connector and keeping it on the market is not innovative nor good. Sony did it before them, and many of the '80s proprietary computer makers did it before Sony.

The thing is that phones are carried by people who are not in the computer industry. Phones should not need the level of maintenance that computers do. Heck, computers should not need the level of maintenance that computers do. Curated computing was the solution that busted the smartphone out of hardcore geek circles and made it accessible.

I think that developing a proprietary connector because there is nothing out there that would do the job and doing a good enough job on it that it remained useful for a decade is pretty impressive. The common mini USB plug was pretty new in 2001, and can't do all the things that the Apple connector did. What available connector would you have specified? SCSI?

I'll admit that Apple products have been taking over our house. Not because of Apple worship, but because every time I look at the options that tends to be what I come up with. Based on Janel's experience with her work phone, I'll take an iPhone over an Android when I make that jump. The Android tablet owned by my mother in law is now a brick, because it won't boot up and nobody will take ownership of the hardware/software combination. Even my laptop is now a Mac because the hardware is dramatically better than anything I found in the PC world. The fact that it all works together happily is a bonus. AirPlay is a great way to get around various device restrictions for those who complain about control, too

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 12:24 p.m.

When the iPhone came out I would have gone with Mini-USB + 3.5mm. That gives you charging, data, audio and video. If controls were really needed I would have gone with a second 3.5mm or 2.5mm for specialized inputs. Put all these next to each other and the iPhone could go onto docks just the same way.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
9/14/12 2:26 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: If controls were really needed I would have gone with a second 3.5mm or 2.5mm for specialized inputs.

From a design standpoint, that is a terrible idea. Sort of defeats the purpose of a portable device if you have to plug a million things into it...

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 2:30 p.m.

Well I'm offering the best of both worlds: You have multiple standard plugs that you can use directly, or you can use a single "dock plug" that operates like the proprietary connector.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/12 2:55 p.m.

By the time the iPhone came out, the iPod dock plug was pretty well established and being used in millions of devices. Mini USB hadn't become the defacto standard for cellphones at that point either, and using a standard plug size for a non-standard use isn't any different than a proprietary connector really.

dculberson
dculberson SuperDork
9/14/12 2:56 p.m.

@Gameboy: Yours is an engineer's solution. Sounds good on paper.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
9/14/12 2:59 p.m.

I just wish the i-Phone didn't suck so bad at ......you know actually being a phone. It's great for wasting time, playing silly games and avoiding human interaction, but when you want to actually speak with someone it blows.

For speaking, my old flip-phones were far superior to the 3G i-Phone I have now.

I know, I know, I know......I just need the newest, bestest superfancy new disposable product that can do a million things I'll never need....and everything will be all better.

"Get off my Lawn!"

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 3:02 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: By the time the iPhone came out, the iPod dock plug was pretty well established and being used in millions of devices. Mini USB hadn't become the defacto standard for cellphones at that point either, and using a standard plug size for a non-standard use isn't any different than a proprietary connector really.

At that point Blackberries were using mini-USB although it wasn't a de-facto standard.

Apple could have been forgiven for using a proprietary connector at that point, but just recently they've released a miniaturized new version of it, breaking compatibility with the old one. And they still went proprietary, in this age when digital video and audio can be carried over the USB connector, and micro-USB is an official industry standard used by almost all other manufacturers.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy SuperDork
9/14/12 3:12 p.m.
Joe Gearin wrote: I just wish the i-Phone didn't suck so bad at ......you know actually being a phone. It's great for wasting time, playing silly games and avoiding human interaction, but when you want to actually speak with someone it blows. For speaking, my old flip-phones were far superior to the 3G i-Phone I have now. I know, I know, I know......I just need the newest, bestest superfancy new disposable product that can do a million things I'll never need....and everything will be all better. "Get off my Lawn!"

I don't think that has anything to do with the IPhone, and everything to do with the new networks phones operate on.

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/14/12 3:27 p.m.

Today was momentous, a day to anticpate gleeful, giddy, grand five replacing four that had replaced three S and three

Shiny, new, ripe no blemishes on its flawless skin, its glass window like an eye without cataracts

Cataracts that arrive over time and use dulling the glee eroding the giddy decaying the grand

while I anticipate six replacing five, or will it be five S replacing five people like sheep aimlessly grazing on the fallen apples

My modelled "free writing" for my grade 9s today -- satire was the literary element we were working with. Two of my students are Apple fanatics. . . .

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/14/12 3:54 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: By the time the iPhone came out, the iPod dock plug was pretty well established and being used in millions of devices. Mini USB hadn't become the defacto standard for cellphones at that point either, and using a standard plug size for a non-standard use isn't any different than a proprietary connector really.
At that point Blackberries were using mini-USB although it wasn't a de-facto standard. Apple could have been forgiven for using a proprietary connector at that point, but just recently they've released a miniaturized new version of it, breaking compatibility with the old one. And they still went proprietary, in this age when digital video and audio can be carried over the USB connector, and micro-USB is an official industry standard used by almost all other manufacturers.

It would be interesting to know what else is passed through that connector, that's for sure. It could be that Apple wanted to do things that couldn't be done via USB, like the long list of I/O in that original connector. There are 8 pins on the new one, versus 5 on a Mini USB, so there's something else going on. Dunno.

poopshovel
poopshovel UltimaDork
9/14/12 7:55 p.m.

No complaints with my 3GS as a phone. I'm with AT&T. The one hilariously retarded bit is that THE ONLY PLACE locally my phone doesn't work is inside the god forsaken wally world where I bought it.

turboswede
turboswede GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/12 9:16 p.m.

Speaking of 3GS, anyone have one they want to get rid of? Wife's 3G just broke and a slight upgrade would be nice, if possible.

Twin_Cam
Twin_Cam UltraDork
9/15/12 8:19 a.m.

What's an iPhone and why are you guys so pissed off about it?

(obviously I'm kidding about half of that, see if you can guess which half)

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