Woody wrote: You would think that a place like Massachusetts would be a little more sensitive to the whole taxation without representation thing.
Us MA-Holes don't call it Taxachusetts for nuthin'.
Woody wrote: You would think that a place like Massachusetts would be a little more sensitive to the whole taxation without representation thing.
Us MA-Holes don't call it Taxachusetts for nuthin'.
That law appears to be written for buying luxury goods. That way there's no arguing the state tax applied to an item which can easily be moved from state to state like our Secretary of State did with his (wifes) yacht.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html
In other words "oh hell no I wouldn't pay that"
etifosi wrote: How do Massachusettians return their plate if they don't need it any more? Massachusettonians have 7 days to put their plate on the next vehicle, right? Do Massachusetters pay annual registration fees as well as the use tax upon sale?
As someone who lived there for a year, I believe the correct term is M@sshole. 
As someone who lived there for a year, I believe the correct term is M@sshole.
Yes, that is correct.
PA has a thing with cars coming into the state. If you owned it for more than 6 months, you go to a notary and transfer it over to pa. This applies when moving to pa from another state with a car you already own.
If you buy a car out of state and go to transfer it's title to PA.. the State Police need to see the car to make sure it was not stolen
I had no clue that MASS did not recognize paper plates from other states. Glad I did not drive up there after I bought my Tiburon then, that was a brand new car with a dealer issued paper plate.. that would have been upsetting to get pulled for something that is legal in the other 49 states
My friend lived there for a year or two. When he moved, they tried to hit him with the "moving out of Massachusetts tax." Seriously. They have a tax on people moving out of their state.
Dr. Hess wrote: My friend lived there for a year or two. When he moved, they tried to hit him with the "moving out of Massachusetts tax." Seriously. They have a tax on people moving out of their state.
not too unlike the fact that you can drive into NJ free.. but it costs money to get out?
mad_machine wrote:Dr. Hess wrote: My friend lived there for a year or two. When he moved, they tried to hit him with the "moving out of Massachusetts tax." Seriously. They have a tax on people moving out of their state.not too unlike the fact that you can drive into NJ free.. but it costs money to get out?
Totally worth it.
Dr. Hess wrote: My friend lived there for a year or two. When he moved, they tried to hit him with the "moving out of Massachusetts tax." Seriously. They have a tax on people moving out of their state.
I've been here my whole life, and have had friends move away. I have never heard of this tax. Sounds made up to me. We have a lot of taxes, and not all of them make sense, but this one doesn't sound real.
Chris
Sorry, Chris. I thoroughly trust the source. He moved out and got a tax bill in the mail for moving out. They threatened to attach any property he had in Taxachussettes if he didn't pay. He told them to go ahead. He lived out on the Cape, worked at a certain radio station that doesn't exist anymore (didahdah dadidadit dadidadit.)
Massachusetts also has a question on the tax return to find out if you bought anything out of state. They want you to report out of state purchases so they can collect the sales tax.
As for the vehicle, CT was and may still be similar. If you buy from a dealer in CT, but are a MA resident, the dealer has to collect the CT sales tax. Then when you register in Mass you have to turn in the receipt for sales tax so they can claim their share from CT.
On private sale I would hypothetically take the vehicle and title to my home state and pay them the appropriate fees and forget about Massachusetts wanting anything.
Of course since I live in MA, it doesn't really matter. They will collect from me regardless of where it was bought, and charge sales tax based on book value, not sale price, if it's a private sale.
mad_machine wrote: If you buy a car out of state and go to transfer it's title to PA.. the State Police need to see the car to make sure it was not stolen
I've bought a number of cars from other states and registered them in PA. Never heard of this before. I've been useing the same tag store for about 25 years.
Technically yes if you purchase somthing in a state and take possession of it I said state you have to pay what ever sales tax's are applicable. No different if there was a sale on say flat screen TVs here in MA. If you drove here and purchased it here you pay tax at the point of sale here.
I think the law is fine as here in ma you technicly don't own a Vehical in the eyes of the state untill you title it and to do that you pay the sales tax as part of the title process.
So if you take possession of a car here in ma and give the owner monies you don't pay sales tax here because you still don't own the car according to the state. If you don't own it you don't pay tax's. When you title it in another state you are taking ownership of it I that state and pay applicable tax's and fees in that state.
The law makes perfect cense if you differentiate between taking possession of somthing and owning somthing.
The sticking point to this law is when a MA resident takes ownership of say a set of tires in NH. The state of MA wants to tax that purchase. There was a rather high profile law suite where the state of MA sued Town Fair Tire. They lost the case in federal court.
So in short it is not where you take possession of somthing it is where you become the legal owner of somthing that determines to whom you pay tax's and fees to.
So did you buy the Protege5?
Wow, I thought we had it bad in California.
Toebra wrote: Wow, I thought we had it bad in California.
You do. MA isn't as bad as they make it sound. I wouldn't want to be an automotive enthusiast in CA. It is pretty easy being one in MA however.
Woody wrote: Hypothetically, if someone had purchased two vehicles in that awful place, for the sake of argument we will refer to them as a Jeep and a Miata, and, being unaware of this silly law, registered these two vehicles, which, hypothetically, he no longer owns, in a much better place, like Connecticut, would that hypothetical super cool guy owe hypothetical back taxes to the stupid place?
you are the FIRST person that I've ever heard of that called Connecticut "better" than ANY OTHER state, when it comes to DMV and the associated rules 
In reply to wbjones:
CTDMV actually got really good for a while. It was becoming difficult to complain about them.
But they suck again now, after a computer system upgrade a few months ago that they still haven't recovered from. I was there for five and a half hours trying to get the BMW registered. I spent the first hour and fifteen minutes in the "take a number" line.
Mazdax605 wrote:Toebra wrote: Wow, I thought we had it bad in California.You do. MA isn't as bad as they make it sound. I wouldn't want to be an automotive enthusiast in CA. It is pretty easy being one in MA however.
It is not so bad, as long as you are not interested in owning anything built after 1975. My 914 is a'74, and it does not have any rust, which is probably not true of a 914 from the Massachusetts.
I have purchased vehicles out of state many times. The only snag I can imagine encountering is if MA requires notarized titles. If that is the case, PA will require it to be notarized there to get a title here. If it requires notary, MA might have to charge you the tax as a condition of the notarizing.
As is usually the case, PA is one of those states that has convoluted requirements that change with each state of purchase. PA is also one of those states where the majority of DMV employees don't have a clue what they're talking about unless it is dirt simple. I have never received a straight and true answer from anyone at the DMV. If it is renewing your registration on a Camry, fine. If it is buying a 67 LeMans from NJ, they get thrown into a tizzy of panic. I actually had two different DMV agents ask me for my emissions certification. One even had to make a phone call to verify that a 67 didn't require an emissions test.
Just saying... make sure you have YOUR ducks in a row, because they won't. Also saying... don't worry a lick about Massltuckey. You don't live there and don't owe them a cent. Worry about PA and having your I's dotted and T's crossed.
as much of a PITA as NC DMV can be … all the talk from everyone from ANYWHERE else makes me glad to have the system of inspection (so called safety and '96 and newer emissions) and contract DMV … the biggest problem is the consolidation of DMV sites … so the travel to one is more, and the lines longer
Not to get off on a tangent, but I disagree. CA has no safety inspection and it didn't seem to affect vehicle safety at all. TX had safety inspections and that state has some of the most dangerous-looking junk on the road. Now that I'm back in PA, its just an intrusion into the hobby. Most inspectors don't recognize that an aftermarket part is safe despite not looking "stock." What ends up happening is the Camry owner gets a sticker slapped on it because the tires, lights, and brakes look good, and the hobbyist gets the third degree despite their modified car being just as safe as the Camry. The Camry gets a pass because it must be OK and the hobbyist's car gets failed because there must be something wrong with it.
I built some upper control arms for temporary use on my 66 Bonneville. They were actually quite nice, but they wouldn't pass inspection because they just didn't look right. So I took it home, put some Edelbrock stickers on them, took it back and they said "I didn't know Edelbrock made suspension stuff" and they passed it. Just because I have all of my brake lights working during the 5 minutes it is being inspected doesn't mean they'll work for the 525,595 other minutes in the year. To me, it is a bulls%#t waste of time for car owners and shop owners.
In reply to curtis73:
sorry, I didn't make myself clear .. the NC safety inspection (if not done according the rules, which maybe 1 in 100 inspection stations do) is what we had before the emissions inspections came into being … which apply to '96 and newer only
the "safety inspection" is supposed to put the car in the air …then front end components actually get checked as do brakes (wheels off)
in all the yrs this inspection protocol has been in place …. 30 yr ??? or more, I've never had any shop do this
all that gets checked is the horn, the wipers, the blinkers (many owners don't know how to demonstrate this check) head lights… high and low, tail lights, and brake lights … pump the brake pedal ….
that's pretty much an intensive inspection for all the shops I've dealt with over the yrs
after market parts ? they couldn't care less .. '96 and newer, it's an OBDII plug in … that's it + the "safety inspection"
money grab only
mad_machine wrote: PA has a thing with cars coming into the state... ... If you buy a car out of state and go to transfer it's title to PA.. the State Police need to see the car to make sure it was not stolen ...
Is this new? In 2007, as a PA resident, I flew down & purchased a car in TN (from a used dealer) and drove home on 3 day paper tags. Registration did not involve State Police in any way.. but it was not a private party sale either.
I lived there in 2000. This was what I was told if I had bought a car out of state and brought it in. As I moved there with my current car, they had no issues registering it in Pa.
Again as somebody stated above, PA DMV folk are not exactly sharp as tacks. I have personal knowledge of this.. one of my cousins is one
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