ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/24/18 5:29 p.m.

Need to replace the PS pump  on the Odyssey.  I'm stubborn, so I continually purchase aftermarket replacement parts even though they are almost universally crap. 

 

Which of these do you think will last the longest?

barefootskater
barefootskater Reader
4/24/18 5:35 p.m.

My experience has been that almost all reman units are coming from the same few factories anyway and if you peel the "insert brand here" label off there is usually an A1 (Cardone) label underneath. That being said, one of the exceptions is the top option, Vision-OE, and I have had good luck with them in the past.

stanger_missle
stanger_missle GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/24/18 5:39 p.m.

If it makes you feel any better, the auto parts company I work for is dropping A1 Cardone for BBB due to the insane number of warranty/defective returns.

Cousin_Eddie
Cousin_Eddie Reader
4/24/18 5:49 p.m.

The manager at my O Reilly told me awhile back that A1 Cardone power steering pumps were running a 40% return/defect rate in their store. 

I will literally put a used OEM pump on or completely reseal a leaky stock one before I buy a reman.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/24/18 6:02 p.m.
Cousin_Eddie said:

The manager at my O Reilly told me awhile back that A1 Cardone power steering pumps were running a 40% return/defect rate in their store. 

I will literally put a used OEM pump on or completely reseal a leaky stock one before I buy a reman.

No surprise there.  I'd venture a guess than things I buy from Rockauto/Advance that are not brakes or oil have a 40% defect/return/fail within 10,000 mile rate in my experience.  

The OE units have been superceded by the 4th gen pump, so I don't want to pull a defective or soon-to-be defective pump from the junkyard.  No Odysseys there anyway.

I'm tempted to pay up for the Honda part, but the dealer quote (installed) was around $650, and even on ebay the part alone is ~$550.  Seems like an aftermarket pump may be worth the gamble.

Cousin_Eddie
Cousin_Eddie Reader
4/24/18 6:10 p.m.

If you're waffling about getting an OEM pump, this is a good option. It's about 80-90 less than the eBay price you mentioned.

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~pump~sub~assy~p~s~56110-rgl-a04.html?Make=Honda&Model=Odyssey&Year=2007&Submodel=&Filter=(bt=3%2c8;et=2%2c7)&Location=p-s-pump,3068754,2

I looked up a 2007 Odyssey and it's the latest superseded pump.

barefootskater
barefootskater Reader
4/24/18 6:10 p.m.

Is it a difficult install? If not then an aftermarket unit may be worth the gamble, as most have a decent warranty. If it is a hassle (more than 1/2 hour after the first time in my book) then maybe not.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/24/18 9:27 p.m.

I'd try the New one out of that group, The AAE, if it were my money. 

 

 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
4/24/18 10:04 p.m.

Before you change the pump, if it is just noisy, replace the oring on the fitting that goes to the reservoir.  If that doesn't do it, hit the junkyard for a low mileage used one.  Berkely the reman garbage. And they are all garbage.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/24/18 10:36 p.m.

The power steering fluid reservoir has a built in filter and needs to be replaced periodically.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/24/18 10:43 p.m.

Yeah, its noisy.  Crazy noisy on cold startups.  Already changed the o-ring and the high pressure hose.  I'll get in there and have another look around.  Its possible it just has damage from running low on fluid for a bit due to a leak from the high pressure hose.

I hate the reman stuff, but I see that buying garbage from Advance locally is around the same price.  At least I can walk right back in and return it if its garbage.  And if that is the case, I guess I just need to pay the Honda tax.

I'd totally go the junkyard route if finding used Odysseys in the junkyard was a thing.  I've never seen anything newer than a 2nd gen in the yard.

STM317
STM317 SuperDork
4/25/18 4:25 a.m.

If the genuine Honda part is $550, having the dealer install it for $100 seems totally worth it to me.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/25/18 9:50 p.m.

Agreed $100 for an install is a no brainer.  I was more concerned about the part price itself.

Tk8398
Tk8398 Reader
4/25/18 10:40 p.m.

Installing junky reman parts is definitely a good way to turn a car into an unreliable beater, if that's all that's available and you need to get to work than of course that's just what you have to do, but unless it's a temporary repair or you are selling it soon the factory part is probably the best choice.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/26/18 7:17 a.m.
Tk8398 said:

Installing junky reman parts is definitely a good way to turn a car into an unreliable beater, if that's all that's available and you need to get to work than of course that's just what you have to do, but unless it's a temporary repair or you are selling it soon the factory part is probably the best choice.

Agreed, depending on the failure mode.  But installing dealer parts on a 11+ year old car is a quick way to run up a pretty huge bill.

I should note that the same trip to the dealer resulting in a quote of ~$450 to replace the driver's side mirror.

 

I think in this case I'm going to pay the dealer.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
4/26/18 7:40 a.m.

How much leaked out? 

One thing I've noticed that most people never, ever do...........flush the power steering system. I've stopped more than one noisy steering pump this way that went on to live tens of thousands of more miles. 

It get's hot, dirty/funky, just like any other fluid in the car, yet is typically completely ignored from a maintenance standpoint. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/26/18 8:38 a.m.

Its been flushed, when the high pressure line was replaced.  Also replaced an O-ring on it.  I'm not 100% positive it is the pump, but that is the diagnosis I got from the dealer.

It is seeping/leaking from somewhere, so I do need to fix it in order to pass inspection.

chaparral
chaparral GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/26/18 10:39 a.m.

Take the pump off entirely, pull, grease, and seal the rack, and install a shorter EADB?

 

 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/26/18 10:44 a.m.

What is EADB?  A quick google has some interesting results:

 

East African Development Bank

Eastern Association of Deaf Bowlers

Urban Dictionary: EADB (somewhat profane)

 

I'm assuming its none of those

Cousin_Eddie
Cousin_Eddie Reader
4/26/18 11:08 a.m.

engine accessory drive belt

ProDarwin
ProDarwin PowerDork
4/26/18 2:39 p.m.

Oh.  i get it.  Yeah, not happening.

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