Just what IS it?

You young'uns might not know this, but the 2.2 was a gutsy engine back in the day . . .

ZOO wrote: You young'uns might not know this, but the 2.2 was a gutsy engine back in the day . . .

I still remember Mosler's Consulier GTP.

Well, now there are 4 daylight pics and an informative ad title so I guess that mystery is all cleared up.

Streetwiseguy wrote:

phaze1todd wrote: Parents had one when I was in HS and was one of the first cars I drove. Always got a kick out of the Audi logo on the head and the real Holley carb on the 2.2.

Now, thats giving it a bit too much credit. Lets just say its a VW group casting. Also, if it had the VW sign, it was a 1.7. The Holley/Weber was a popular donor carb for the Solex carbed Rabbits when they refused to stay fixed.

May have been a group casting, but I distinctly remember the four interlocking rings logo cast into the front of either the head or the block. Further research leads me to believe Dad's car (an '87 Charger) was ordered with the H.O. 2.2 with a 5 speed and the Holley was acually a throttle body and not a carb.

The first Omni's had a couple different engines. First ones had a Peugeot 1.6 engine. then they went to the VW 1.7 before they came out with their own 2.2 .

It is a distant relative of the Dodge Viper SRT-10. Very distant.

This thread totally reminds me of this short bit from MST3K--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDJDTbaY2d0

Deep Hurting!

Streetwiseguy wrote:

phaze1todd wrote: Parents had one when I was in HS and was one of the first cars I drove. Always got a kick out of the Audi logo on the head and the real Holley carb on the 2.2.

Now, thats giving it a bit too much credit. Lets just say its a VW group casting. Also, if it had the VW sign, it was a 1.7. The Holley/Weber was a popular donor carb for the Solex carbed Rabbits when they refused to stay fixed.

Heh, yeah the 1.7 in the Omni made a little more power than the 1.7 did in the VW. Of course they both had POS fuel systems, so it was a toss up which was worse to deal with when they eventually broke down.

Older brother had a Horizon with the Peugot 1.6L pushrod motor. Used it to run parts while he was working on his GLH-S. The Peugot motor was atrocious and he revved the piss out of it all the time, but the bastard wouldn't die. He had a Turismo for a bit as well, but the gas tank leaked and he found a Shelby Charger Turbo to buy instead.

Grandparents had a 1.7L powered Horizon, called it their puddle jumper and loved that car. Dad eventually melted the motor down on the way to the beach. An engine swap later and it is was running until it was sold on.

Uncle still has his 84 GLH that he bought new, but it doesn't look anything like it did when it rolled off the assembly line:

phaze1todd wrote:

Streetwiseguy wrote:

phaze1todd wrote: Parents had one when I was in HS and was one of the first cars I drove. Always got a kick out of the Audi logo on the head and the real Holley carb on the 2.2.

Now, thats giving it a bit too much credit. Lets just say its a VW group casting. Also, if it had the VW sign, it was a 1.7. The Holley/Weber was a popular donor carb for the Solex carbed Rabbits when they refused to stay fixed.

May have been a group casting, but I distinctly remember the four interlocking rings logo cast into the front of either the head or the block. Further research leads me to believe Dad's car (an '87 Charger) was ordered with the H.O. 2.2 with a 5 speed and the Holley was acually a throttle body and not a carb.

The HO was only available with carburation and it was a non-feedback Holley 5220, where the normal 2.2 received a feedback version of the 5220, the 6520. They both sucked as the castings were crap. Pitch it and use a carb without vacuum leaks and the cars would run and run (until the 525 blew up)

Travis_K wrote: If its stock the only cars that look like that are the charger and turismo. The other versions all had single headlights. I had a shelby charger for a while, I was not impressed.

Sigh....

I had a Fiat for a while and I wasn't impressed, but then I knew it was a POS when I bought it, but I don't say all Fiats are crap.

Oh and the door handles are crap, piss poor castings, misaligned/poorly lubricated linkage and users that didn't know how to use them properly all led to broken handles.

The trick is to make sure the linkage and latches are properly lubricated and adjusted and then to pull up on the handle when opening, not pulling out. The door should just pop open without excessive effort.

Still, it really was a poor design and was never resolved, even the aftermarket ones are poorly made. Makes A1 VW handles look reliable by comparison.

Chrysler bought something like 10,000 1.7 engines from VW/Audi Group for the initial production run. The engine was shared with an Audi (A90?) anyway the four interlocking circles on the head were from the Audi side of the whole shebang. The Holley was stock.

The 2.2's with the feedback Holley had a really stupid piece of engineering: to (allegedly) isolate the carb from engine vibrations there was this thick spacer which was basically 2 pieces of 1/4" aluminum plate bonded to the top and bottom of a rubber sleeve, it bolted to the intake and the carb bolted to the top. Inside of 2 years the rubber would turn to goo causing vacuum leaks etc and the carb would eventually just fall off of the manifold. Yet another reason 1970's and '80's US cars were considered to be complete E36 M3boxes.

I had one of the early Horizons when I was trying to pile up cash... I'd sooner play naked twister in a leper colony than relive that colossal piece of E36 M3 !

Curmudgeon wrote: Chrysler bought something like 10,000 1.7 engines from VW/Audi Group for the initial production run. The engine was shared with an Audi (A90?) anyway the four interlocking circles on the head were from the Audi side of the whole shebang. The Holley was stock. The 2.2's with the feedback Holley had a really stupid piece of engineering: to (allegedly) isolate the carb from engine vibrations there was this thick spacer which was basically 2 pieces of 1/4" aluminum plate bonded to the top and bottom of a rubber sleeve, it bolted to the intake and the carb bolted to the top. Inside of 2 years the rubber would turn to goo causing vacuum leaks etc and the carb would eventually just fall off of the manifold. Yet another reason 1970's and '80's US cars were considered to be complete E36 M3boxes.

They fixed that pretty early on, in 83 or 84 as none of the 83 or 84 carb'd cars I've had or seen had those stupid adapters. The replacements were aluminum with gaskets on either side.

the biggest issue was that the Holley POS knock off of the Weber POS would warp the top of the carb when breathed on, if the throttle shafts didn't wear out and leak first.

Honestly, if the engine isn't fuel injected already, or running an aftermarket carb, stay away unless you're prepared to convert it over. The stock carbs really are not fun to deal with after all of this time. At least the EFI system can be repaired (or MegaSqirted) Carbs just get to be replaced with a hopefully less crappy version.

I would like to know more about the car with the flares please.