KEEP YOUR DOG UNDER CONTROL!!!!!!

DILYSI Dave wrote:

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"dave" said: The over reaction is seeing a threat in every dog.

wow, you seem to have all the answers, maybe you should start a blog or something............people could submit questions and you could charge like 5 bucks per answer, and how many baby girls did you say you have and how many times have they been brutally attacked?

Yeah, I'm the crazy one for not concluding that every dog on earth is trying to tear my kid's face off. If I said "I was robbed by a black guy, therefore if a black guy ever approaches me I'm going to shoot him" I would rightfully be labeled insane and racist. I'm simply saying to assess whether a threat actually exists before freaking out. If the dog is a threat - yes - do what you have to do. And if the best answer a grown ass man can come up with for dealing with a dog that is one fourth his weight is "kill it", well that sucks for the dog, but OK. In this case, other than being a bit scared, Doc's kid was fine. Playing in the yard 20 minutes later. It would suck to escalate the situation to the point of killing a neighbor's dog, using a firearm in a residential neighborhood, etc., all for a situation which 20 minutes later could have been ancient history. A snap judgement does nobody any favors. EDIT - and I DO feel sorry for both Doc and his kids and that mauling incident. If I were in his shoes, I very well may be in the same place he is. berkeleying with a man's kids gets a man primal. I get that.

Your post makes you sound like an apologist for bad dogs and bad owners, perhaps that is what you are and you are petting your ego. This is not the first or the last dog bite, the difference is that 50 years ago, the dog would have been shot no questions, the owners would have been ashamed themselves and learned their lesson, and it would not escalate.

The city I live in a young girl was bit in the face by a dog, which had reportedly bit other people before on several times (scumbag owner left children alone with dog, to get dope). The girl’s face was so severe that she had to have several operations, in addition to psychological counseling. Because of the bread of the dog, everybody rally around the dog, and made excuses.

If someone was robbed by a “human” while at the ATM, I guarantee they will not be back at the ATM the next day, it is common sense to be cautious when bad things happen. The same reason why we lock are doors and windows, we cannot trust people.

At my former employer I assisted in crisis management, the manager had a whole plan in place for when a crisis happened, it was probably one of the best plans, except nobody ever followed it. So when I hear people talk about being experts in dealing with difficult situation, I think they should step off their high horse. Or go down to FL and watch people react when they are warned of a hurricane, it is a bunch of rioting, perhaps you can stand in the middle of town and tell them your story.

I know many good and unfortunately bad animal owners, when you have an animal that can’t be around other animals or people you are a risk and a liability in the neighborhood. You as a owner have made a decision not to be a part of a community but rather a danger and it is completely selfish. I know that people enjoy the power, especially are local drug dealers that have attack animals around to keep people away. If a animal that is a attacker gets away, and it leaves a child without the face, the owner gets a slap on their wrist and a child is the person who suffers. Our selfish ways are what will ruin the society and nothing else, it is unfortunate that people are putting pets in the mix.

The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Welp, I thought this could be a productive thread about proper leash/fence control for dogs that I could chime in on.

...I'll just back away slowly.

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Luckily the world revolves around you and not the other way around. Perhaps you should drop your 8 year old off in Erie we have several drug dogs to prove your theory wrong. Just remember not to breath, look at the dog or move.

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Yeah, cuz that's apples and apples

I realize this is a hot button topic involving both children and dogs, which are usually almost as much a part of a family as children.

I said it four pages ago: "If I thought my children were in danger, I will defend them." Most aggressive dogs give off signs of being aggressive. Most, not all.

I was bitten when I was 4 years old. The dog was put down after it bit the owner's 10 year old son on the face a week later. I learned early that some dogs are just bad news, but I tried to educate myself on the signs of canine aggression.

This came in handy when I had to defend my kid against an aggressive dog on June 7th, 2007. My son was 4 years old at the time. I was prepared to beat the dog to death with a 3/4" breaker bar but I ran it off before it came to that. I remember the exact day because I really, really thought that either my son or I was going to get bit or I was going to have to kill a dog.

Until you are in a situation like that, you don't know what you're going to do or how you will react. I don't think all dogs are bad, but I'm not going to take chances of obvious signs of aggression are being displayed. I'd rather be wrong about the dog being aggressive and have a safe kid than take a chance and have an injured child. Anybody who does not feel that way has no business being a parent.

That said, I like dogs, my kids like dogs. I even let them pet friendly seeming dogs after asking their owners if it is OK for them to pet their dog, and I've explained to them why it is OK for the owners to say no because not all dogs like children or strange people.

Datsun1500 wrote:

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Your dog was on your property. Why do you not get that part? If your dog had left in those 2 hours and went after a kid, then yes, you suck as an owner. No one is saying that they would just shoot any old dog....

I do get that part, and yes, had my dog gone after a kid, he should be dealt with in whatever manner necessary to protect the kid.

Trigun was making sweeping statements about unrestrained dogs being a threat and owners who let them be unrestrained sucking. I was bringing up a situation where my dog was unrestrained despite me not sucking, and he still presented no threat.

I've NEVER said "don't deal with a threatening dog". All I've said is "Don't assume every dog is a threat."

trigun7469 wrote: Luckily the world revolves around you and not the other way around. Perhaps you should drop your 8 year old off in Erie we have several drug dogs to prove your theory wrong. Just remember not to breath, look at the dog or move.

The point of this post is what, exactly? I'd like to see us maintain a civil discourse here.

trigun7469 wrote:

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Luckily the world revolves around you and not the other way around. Perhaps you should drop your 8 year old off in Erie we have several drug dogs to prove your theory wrong. Just remember not to breath, look at the dog or move.

After reading your latest posts I get the feeling your drug dealer has a dog that scares you and may, or may not, have bit you in the past. Hopefully you and your dealer can work past this so you can get back on your meds.

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News flash for all you dog owners: Your dog may be well-trained and gentle. Your dog might be a member of your family who is loved and treated as such. That does not mean that everyone out there feels the same way that you do.

I don't like dogs. I don't want them running up to me. I certainly don't want them jumping on me. You should not assume that everyone else on the planet loves your dumb mutt like you do.

Did DrBoost overreact? Maybe. Was he justified in his overreaction, considering that he witnessed a beast of a dog trying to eat his daughter's face?! ABSOLUTELY.

I carry pepper spray with me when I run in certain neighborhoods, because I was attacked by several dogs being "walked" by their owner--without a leash. Am I overreacting?

Sky_Render wrote: I carry pepper spray with me when I run in certain neighborhoods, because I was attacked by several dogs being "walked" by their owner--without a leash. Am I overreacting?

Overreacting by carrying it? No, absolutely not. Overreacting by using it? Depends on what "attacked" was. Did they bite you? Then no. Did they lick you to death? Then yes. Did they jump on you, attempting to bite you? No. Jump on you attempting to lick you? Maybe.

Yes, I am a dog lover. Yes, I have been attacked (and bitten) by a [big] dog.

In reply to Sky_Render:

I wouldn't use peppermace.....not the best idea in that situation. Its worse than having a thin but springy stick.

mtn wrote:

Sky_Render wrote: I carry pepper spray with me when I run in certain neighborhoods, because I was attacked by several dogs being "walked" by their owner--without a leash. Am I overreacting?

Overreacting by carrying it? No, absolutely not. Overreacting by using it? Depends on what "attacked" was. Did they bite you? Then no. Did they lick you to death? Then yes. Did they jump on you, attempting to bite you? No. Jump on you attempting to lick you? Maybe. Yes, I am a dog lover. Yes, I have been attacked (and bitten) by a [big] dog.

+1

Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to mtn: How do you know the difference between jumping on you to bite and jumping on you to lick until it's too late? Honestly I don't want your dog jumping on me uninvited at all.

That is why I had a "maybe" as the answer to that.

I can usually tell the difference in a dog wanting to attack me vs. wanting to be friends, but I consider myself good with dogs and can see how people would not be able to see the difference.

And I hate it when owners can't teach their dogs not to jump. That activity should be nipped in the bud as a puppy. Knee to the chest, trying to dance with them, they'll get the point if you do it young enough.

Wagging tail good. Tucked tail bad.

That's still not something to bet on.

DILYSI Dave wrote:

Datsun1500 wrote:

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Your dog was on your property. Why do you not get that part? If your dog had left in those 2 hours and went after a kid, then yes, you suck as an owner. No one is saying that they would just shoot any old dog....

I do get that part, and yes, had my dog gone after a kid, he should be dealt with in whatever manner necessary to protect the kid. Trigun was making sweeping statements about unrestrained dogs being a threat and owners who let them be unrestrained sucking. I was bringing up a situation where my dog was unrestrained despite me not sucking, and he still presented no threat. I've NEVER said "don't deal with a threatening dog". All I've said is "Don't assume every dog is a threat."

My point is there are obviously issues in human society where we cannot trust people. Irresponsibility is rampant, we could be talking about pets, children, upkeep, crashes or ect…

DILYSI Dave I have nothing against you, and I do not know you. So if you are offended by my comments I apologize, I did not mean to offend you rather challenge you on what you are saying. I work in the education field and I hear about how responsible people are, they may even brag about it, yet I never see the follow through. I also see people consistently blame others and do not take responsibility. It is exhausting it probably the reason why most people leave the education field.

I do not hate racecars, but I would be afraid to go wheel to wheel with Viso, because he has no control over his car at times. Similar to folks that let their animals attack others, they are supposed to be the ones in control (responsible).

Cotton wrote:

trigun7469 wrote:

DILYSI Dave wrote: The 8 year old foster kid who lives with us let our 15 year old lab/mutt follower her outside over the weekend. Because she's 8, and therefore retarded, she came inside without bringing the dog. When I walked out the front door two hours later he was laying there on the porch patiently waiting for someone to realize he'd been left outside. Surely a far better scenario was that a neighbor had shot him in that 2 hour window though, since I suck as an owner.

Luckily the world revolves around you and not the other way around. Perhaps you should drop your 8 year old off in Erie we have several drug dogs to prove your theory wrong. Just remember not to breath, look at the dog or move.

After reading your latest posts I get the feeling your drug dealer has a dog that scares you and may, or may not, have bit you in the past. Hopefully you and your dealer can work past this so you can get back on your meds.

I am watching my hometown be taken over by meth dealers. GE is laying-off tons of people and in the past 20 years, all of industry has left. All of my childhood friends have left the city. Our crime continues to increase, and I only assume that the value of my house will go down.

Perhaps I miss took what DILYSI Dave had wrote, as I felt that he was blaming the parent, for protecting the child and making the dog the victim rather than the child.

how come DILYSI Dave is allways looking to start some E36 M3?

Lock?

trigun7469 wrote: Perhaps I miss took what DILYSI Dave had wrote, as I felt that he was blaming the parent, for protecting the child and making the dog the victim rather than the child.

Copy. Yeah, not the point I was trying to make. Protecting the kid has to be priority 1. I love my dog, but I'll be the first one to berkeley him up IF he were to try to injure a child. But just because a dog comes running up doesn't mean he's aggressive. That's the only point. Assess, then react.

The wrote: how come DILYSI Dave is allways looking to start some E36 M3?

Seriously?

mtn wrote: And I hate it when owners can't teach their dogs not to jump. That activity should be nipped in the bud as a puppy. Knee to the chest, trying to dance with them, they'll get the point if you do it young enough.

it is much harder when you've gotten your small, super friendly beagle from the pound when they were already 6 years old.

Chris_V wrote:

mtn wrote: And I hate it when owners can't teach their dogs not to jump. That activity should be nipped in the bud as a puppy. Knee to the chest, trying to dance with them, they'll get the point if you do it young enough.

it is much harder when you've gotten your small, super friendly beagle from the pound when they were already 6 years old.

I'm aware. Harder yet with a super friendly golden that was adopted at age 5 from a family that had him for social status only. But it will eventually get through to the dog. Hopefully.

We're still working on our 2yo Long haired German Shephard. She ONLY jumps on us though (the wife and I). I've sent that dog sprawling time after time..... but she's so excited that we're home she can't control herself.

Then again, she's only 2 (a teenager in our years) and just learning to control herself. THe middle child (dog) jumps, but does it standing away from you. She never touches you when she's on her back legs, she keeps her distance.