Las Vegas Priorities

There is a reason it's called the "Slippery Slope Fallacy."

Well, I’m assuming this was driven by the Vegas incident. 

Upon arrival at the concert venue last night, my wife and I were separated into different lines and were then wanded  before going to our seats. 

Do I feel safer?  

Indoor venue, seats about 2000. 

In reply to Karacticus :

That happened to us this summer at a show in Detroit. 

z31maniac said:

There is a reason it's called the "Slippery Slope Fallacy."

You may call it a fallacy, but there's 80+ years worth of "Just compromise on this xyz issue and we'll not ask for more" that's taken place. We are no safer from the issue than we were in the 1920's, despite having a boatload of laws for criminals to break and rarely get fully prosecuted for. That crap reminds me of the whole Neville Chamberlain type of appeasement that obviously didn't work in the lead up to WW2. 

And the BATFE changes their minds about as often as you change children's diapers. Currently by their interpretation, arm braces on pistol variants of rifles can be fired from the shoulder without being considered a regulated short barrel rifle. 

Tannerite gonna need to be addressed, sooner rather than later. It's not the good 'ol boy toy everybody thinks it is. Too easy to IED. National attention after LV... it's only a matter of time.

Karacticus said:

Well, I’m assuming this was driven by the Vegas incident. 

Upon arrival at the concert venue last night, my wife and I were separated into different lines and were then wanded  before going to our seats. 

Do I feel safer?  

Indoor venue, seats about 2000. 

I've been getting frisked/wanded at shoes for years.  Really nice when it's a cute metal girl. 

fasted58 said:

Tannerite gonna need to be addressed, sooner rather than later. It's not the good 'ol boy toy everybody thinks it is. Too easy to IED. National attention after LV... it's only a matter of time.

That's a rediculously expensive way of making a boom. Heck, it's just aluminum powder and essentially lawn fertilizer. 

Huckleberry said:

You can't damage 500+ people and kill 59 of them in a few minutes with a knife. 

   

I think someone has forgotten how many people were killed on 9/11/01 with a couple of box cutters. 

Not only were the weapons a couple of knives, they didn't even have a long enough blade to hit a vital organ. 

In reply to SVreX :

Ahh yes I forgot they managed to stab every one of their victims. 

GameboyRMH said:

Bobzilla said:

In reply to STM317 :

IIRC, when you remove suicides that number drops from 33k to around 10k. 2/3's are suicides that would likely happen regardless. 

Quite the opposite, gun ownership greatly increases the likelihood of suicide:

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/

The trouble is that a gun makes suicide quick and easy, which meshes perfectly with the fleeting will to commit suicide.

OR...

People more likely to consider suicide are the personality type that would consider gun ownership. 

OR...

People familiar with operating a weapon choose it when they consider suicide. 

I think you are making assumptions that are not necessarily accurate. Correlation is not Causation. 

dculberson said:

In reply to SVreX :

Ahh yes I forgot they managed to stab every one of their victims. 

No, they magnified their already present killing potential with available means by using fear to manipulate people. 

The knives and the fear were the weapons. The planes magnified the potential. 

By your suggestion, perhaps we should outlaw planes?

Knives can be used to kill hundreds of people. That's all I am saying. 

In reply to SVreX :

I'm saying the knives were not used to kill people. Bad advice and policy ("give in to hijackers demands") were. Your knife argument is spurious. I made no suggestion and your jumped to conclusion is telling. 

Knives on planes have been outlawed. Can't carry my keychain swiss army knife with a ~1.5" blade. Problem solved.

In reply to WOW Really Paul? :

We had a 4YO girl killed by shrapnel a few years back by two ass clowns strapping it to propane tanks. I was surpsied that it didn't get more attention then. 

In reply to VegasNick :

Technically speaking, they probably could have been charged with constructing a bomb by putting the target in or on other objects that can create shrapnel. 

People don't always think things through, just like our local news channel here broke about 5 federal laws doing a piece "exposing" the dangers of tannerite. 

In reply to SVreX :

No. I didn't forget. But what you just did with knives I could do with the hand tools that assembled fat man and little boy.

You do love a strawman argument though, I'll give you that.

NOHOME said:

In the vein of what started this thread

Bud Light presents -Real Men of Genius-

Today, we salute you "Mr Defiantly Shooting the Bird at Mass Shooter Guy"

Nothing says, "Kiss my Star Spangled ass, you commie bastard," like standing your ground, shooting the finger, and sipping a cold beer just because your an American and terrorists shiny happy people suck. In a hail of gunfire, you showed that jackass who the real coward was.

So, crack open a Bud light, "Mr I Hold My Own Beer Now Watch This E36 M3" because this is America, and we don't back down from chicken E36 M3s like you.

Realistically, he is probably presenting a smaller target than people lying down, with the shooter at the height he was.  

Huckleberry said:

 

You do love a strawman argument though, I'll give you that.

Oh, irony!!  What fun!! 

Wow, you probably already thought the shooter was a monster, but wait until you read this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

Highlights include gambling a million dollars a night and calling it not a lot of money, and at the same time bringing his own drinks just to avoid tipping waitresses, and buying pants from a well-known employer of sweatshop labor. This thrill for massive risk-taking combined with incredible selfishness amounts to a red flag in my book. I probably wouldn't have guessed a mass shooting, but this seems like the kind of person who would risk the lives of many for his own jollies.

Streetwiseguy said:

Realistically, he is probably presenting a smaller target than people lying down, with the shooter at the height he was.  

People make it sound like he was picking people off specifically, that's bullE36 M3. This was just a heavily packed place and spamming rounds into it will rack up casualties quickly. Takes minimal skill to hit a targets clustered in mass at that distance. 

In reply to WOW Really Paul? :

that and the angle ricochets that initially missed would also be more likely to cause damage due to the angle. 

In reply to Bobzilla :

Yep, they do like to skip. The elevation above the target pretty much makes up for the distance too.  

I still am waiting to hear what "AK pattern" rifle was there, because I still say it sounded like an RPD. 

Well, all it took was a celebrity in trouble to make people stop giving a E36 M3. Of course.

Not even a celebrity, just an shiny happy person