OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/12/17 5:14 p.m.

Been shopping for a Mazda5 and Hertz has several 2015's locally for sale between eleven and thirteen thousand dollars. They're all around 40k miles, out of manufacturer warranty but Hertz offers a year/12k warranty. I'm going to rent one for 3 days and see how we like the vehicle. It's kinda nice to have that option on a used car.

Not certain if purchasing a rental car is a bad idea. I know it isn't a good idea. But the kind of abuse that scares me is stuff like neutral drops and jumping curbs. A PPI + a year warranty seems like it should mitigate the major concerns.

What say you?

Dusterbd13
Dusterbd13 PowerDork
3/12/17 5:19 p.m.

Its a crap shoot with any used car. Due diligence and take your chances.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
3/12/17 5:45 p.m.

You can't do neutral drops any more. The computer kicks in and only allows 2500rpm that wavers then tapers down when slammed into gear.

J turns, hand brake stops, low gear accelerations, and some cars can do brake torques - some can't.

Some dealers near me had 2015 Impala Limited (previous generation) rental cars with 34,000 miles on them. I considered one.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
3/12/17 5:51 p.m.
rustybugkiller
rustybugkiller Reader
3/12/17 5:53 p.m.

Rental or privately owned really is not much different to me. I haul repo cars to auctions and I've seen one to two year old purchased and taken cars that are abused beyond belief. Buyer beware on any purchase.

NGTD
NGTD UberDork
3/12/17 5:54 p.m.

I bought a 98 Ford Explorer that was a rental. I kept over 10 years. It was the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/12/17 6:19 p.m.

I know they're supposedly maintained, but curious about the frequency of fluid changes and such.

imgon
imgon Reader
3/12/17 6:21 p.m.

We bought a rental years ago and had good luck with it. I think if it's not a "performance" car it may not get beat on as much an it should get regular service. Should be about the SE risk as any other used car. See what it seems like for a few days.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill UltimaDork
3/12/17 7:00 p.m.

Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but I've never abused a rental car.

stuart in mn
stuart in mn UltimaDork
3/12/17 7:24 p.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but I've never abused a rental car.

Me neither, I never understood people who do.

I've known several people who bought rental cars and they all had good experiences with them. As mentioned above, check it out like you would check out any used car.

JOsworth
JOsworth New Reader
3/13/17 3:50 a.m.

I always buy used cars and tend to agree with others.. really no difference between rental and personal use. Despite threats of owing money for abuse, many leased cars are cared for worse sometimes than rentals... Rental companies do sell direct, but they also auction off as well. The big indicator when looking is if the CarFax or history shows as a fleet sale.. most likely a rental if somewhat low miles. My strategy is to look at cars that were not rentals in hot spots like Daytona Florida, Virginia Beach, Carolina coast.. you know, vacation spots. Those tend to be beaten up more. Go for sourced cars from places like Dallas, Cleveland, Kansas City, places like that. Those tend to be primarily used by business travelers (like me) who really aren't into beating up the cars.

Believe it or not, my personal opinion is that interior condition says a lot about the history. If it looks all scuffed and beat, probably hasn't been well cared for. If it looks new, then it was... just my thoughts.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
3/13/17 8:16 a.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but I've never abused a rental car.

The vast majority of people don't. I wouldn't worry about buying an ex-rental any more than I would any other used vehicle, unless it was a performance car people would be very likely to do stupid things with.

Klayfish
Klayfish UberDork
3/13/17 8:21 a.m.
Duke wrote:
spitfirebill wrote: Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but I've never abused a rental car.
The vast majority of people don't. I wouldn't worry about buying an ex-rental any more than I would any other used vehicle, unless it was a performance car people would be very likely to do stupid things with.

I can neither confirm nor deny that back in the day I was a valet for a fancy restaurant in downtown Philly. And I may or may not have put down a NASCAR'esque layer of rubber on most of the roadway between the restaurant and the parking lot, using rental cars.

Most rentals are relatively well cared for mechanically and not kept very long. I'd be OK buying one.

EDIT: I will add that when I travel and rent a car, I don't specifically go out of my way to try to blow the engine, but I don't baby it. I typically rent a compact or economy car, and I can assure you I do plenty of 0-60 runs or 30-50 runs.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad UberDork
3/13/17 8:30 a.m.
spitfirebill wrote: Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but I've never abused a rental car.

I don't think I've "abused" on either (certainly no more than things I own.

But when I got married 20 years ago, my family who flew in from out of town rented a Subaru and discovered the joy of jumping railroad tracks for distance. That car would have been a good one to avoid but a PPI should have revealed the undercarriage carnage.

joey48442
joey48442 PowerDork
3/13/17 9:14 a.m.

We just bought a 2016 Focus that was owned by hertz before a Ford dealer picked it. Ford certified preowned it. Only drawback is the paint is all swirls, as it appears they washed it a lot.

Joey

John Welsh
John Welsh MegaDork
3/13/17 9:22 a.m.

I used to rent a lot, at my old companies expense from a local Hertz office. I got chummy with some of the workers and used to ask a lot of questions about the business.

Service: Yes, the cars got oil changes at the recommended interval. This means that if the manufacturer said it could go 10k miles then they took it all 10k miles. Not great but no worse than vehicles owned by the average masses. Maybe better than lease holders.

Turn in: There was no set mileage point where the cars were retired from rental service. It was explained that there is an entire financial dept that manages this "turn-in." Often, there might be a huge purchase order for Hertz to buy Camrys at a super cheap price but that purchase comes with stipulations that Hertz can not release them for a certain time period. I think Toyota is just dictating some terms so there is not a giant flood of low mile, used Camrys coming onto the market.
My people said they saw cars like Camrys get "turned-in" with less than 4k miles and I have had rental cars with 35k miles on them too.

Wreck repair: Hertz does not send much to the body shop. Typically only the most minor of stuff. If it is more major damage, Hertz will auction off the car. Hertz will then hit the "at fault" party for "loss of use". Something like they will charge the "at fault" party for rental revenue not gained while the car is down.
This auctioned off car was not "salvaged" but rather Hertz just does not want to take the time managing repairs. If you find this car on a used car lot it might not show the damage on a carfax report especially if there was not a police report. The damage could be a simple as just a fender and bumper cover.

Buying used rental:
Most all cars found on used car lots that are about 1.5 model year old or newer are former rental cars. I have a Chevy dealer here who loves this kind of stuff. He will put up billboards for 2016 Impalas starting at $15,999 stating 35 available and the fine print will read (previously owned).

Restating the issues of wrecked cars being auctioned, I would be fearful of a used car with very, very few miles like 4k. I would suspect that this car was wrecked and then auctioned off. Look closely for damage.
I would be more comfortable finding a used rental with 15k miles. It likely served out its typical rental life with no damage.

The mid sized models will get the most miles and maybe the most abuse since they are the most common rentals. When it comes to premium models, the rental rates are much higher and i would thing this increased "cover charge" might weed out some of the worst abusers and over the rental life of the car, it likely has seen fewer miles.

The rental companies charge a ton to rent a minivan. Many of them get loaded with a lot of highway miles since they are used to haul large groups on vacations. Combine these two things and some former rental minivans can be a good value.

In summary, buying a used rental is a crapshoot just like buying any used car. Also, just because you are buying from a Chevy dealership and not Hertz's own lot does not assure you that you are not getting a former rental car.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/13/17 11:29 a.m.
wlkelley3
wlkelley3 UltraDork
3/13/17 11:47 a.m.

I've never really abused a rental either. At least not on purpose. One time we had a rental and used it to go between our broke helicopter in the middle of the Mojave desert and the hotel. Once got it stuck on a dry river bed and the cat set a bush under the car on fire. Took all 6 of us to get the car moved and it smelled like burned brush for a day or two.

I'd say it would depend on the model. I would guess the higher end cars get abused less. Parents bought a Crown Vic former rental car once. Dad said the only thing he regretted is cheaping out and not getting the Lincoln instead. That Crown Vic was one of the best cars he had. Said if he knew it was going to be that reliable car he would have sprung the extra $$ for the Continental instead.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
3/13/17 11:55 a.m.

In reply to codrus:

I'm glad that article is still floating around the web. There was a similar (amateur) article about a rallycross somewhere in the desert outside of Las Vegas, where about half the entries were people who flew into Vegas, rented Neons, and drove them out into wilderness.

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