In reply to JesseSpiker :
Do you have an idea as to what would cause the squeaking sound in the second video I posted? I'll post here again so you don't have to search for it. The noise is definitely coming from the front driver's side of the motor
In reply to JesseSpiker :
Do you have an idea as to what would cause the squeaking sound in the second video I posted? I'll post here again so you don't have to search for it. The noise is definitely coming from the front driver's side of the motor
In reply to infinitenexus :
Not even going to begin trying to diagnose a car that's not in front of me. Cut your filter open and send an oil sample in.
infinitenexus said:I'm going to try the 2 foot square pieces of plywood as thick as I can find them. First thing tomorrow morning I'll be grabbing some so I can get this done.
Please go wider with plywood. A small shift in the load of the car will affect a smaller piece of wood a lot more than a larger one. If it were me, I'd use double 3'x3' squares or larger under ramps.
I'd also chuck a spare tire or two under the rockers, just in case it did decide to slip.
I also see that a Coyote expert is chiming in. It still won't hurt anything to check the oil yourself. If you have a magnet laying around you don't care about, let the oil settle for a bit after draining it and see if the magnet picks anything up, and still check the oil filter.
You're making progress. You could still get lucky with this situation. I'll join in the "used truck engine" crowd if the bearings are bad. You can change an engine in a drivweay, but you might need bigger sheets of plywood. Pulling an engine out and replacing it a lot easier than repairing one.
I'll also add:
Figure out the delta between selling the car as it sits and how much you can sell the car with a truck engine in it. I probably don't have to tell you this, every dollar is going to count soon, and even though you have an influx money coming in now, you've got to keep making smart decisions.
JesseSpiker said:Hello there, resident coyote expert chiming in here (see VMPPerformance.com). As someone who builds these daily, please don't try to tear this apart in your driveway if you think taking a valve cover off was hard. These 11-12 motors are the worst iteration of the coyote motor and are very susceptible to spinning bearings. If you want a second opinion and can afford to get the car over to Daytona Beach I'd be glad to look at it for you, however, it doesn't sound too promising for any repair besides a used truck motor.
That's hell of an offer.
Those Coyotes are not small engines. I'd hate to have to pull and install one in a E36 M3ty driveway.
For the strength of 3/4 plywood......I usually hold back several tons of concrete with it.
If it was me I'd just get a full sheet and use it as a platform to lay on too if I was working in sand.
Of course with the price of plywood now you may be able to do a straight across trade , mustang for plywood sadly
I know y'all like pictures so I took plenty.
I got 2'X4'X3/4" pieces of plywood and laid them under some heavy duty ramps. I had to add small pieces of concrete in the front so the bumper of the mustang would clear the ramps.
Fortunately the oil filter is pretty easy to get to - one small plastic panel underneath covering it, and boom it's right there. So I then removed the oil filter and quickly popped on a fresh one. I poured a bit of oil out on my piece of cardboard. No rainbow but there was definitely a bit of a silvery haze to it
That's not good. So I grabbed my tin snips to cut the filter open (I didn't want to use a saw and introduce any extra metal into the situation)
And I pulled out the filter and dumped some oil out...
Heyoooooo! Yep, that's metal. Let's take a look at the filter itself:
Plenty of metal in there.
So there's definitely a bearing or something that's trashed. Perhaps multiple things are wrong with the engine - I would again like to emphasize that the squeaky metallic noise is coming from the front drivers side of the engine, towards the top.
Im guessing my next step is dropping the pan?
Ouch.
What's the car's payoff?
At this point you have found metal. If you had not, checking the pan for metal could be a good next step. If you pull the pan now, what will you do in there? Is your plan to replace the bearings, swap the motor, load the oil with high viscosity goop long enough for a carmax checkout, or sell as-is?
Next step to to move the rock to the backside of the rear wheel instead of the front side, as on the front side it's doing you no benefit. I'd add brotella oil and lucas for now, but a heart transplant is in order.
Also, I'm sorry as that freaking sucks, I really honestly thought it was more than likely timing chain.
Car's payoff is $16K. Which makes for a double ouch!
Matthew -Is that a viable option if the crank/rods/whatever aren't too damaged? Fresh bearings, thick oil, is that a realistic solution that'll make it 50-60 miles? The nearest carmax from me is about 50 miles so it just needs to make it there plus a short test drive, I guess. I know Carmax is a multi-billion dollar corporation and can easily afford to fix a car, but I still feel some guilt at the thought of doing that. Still, if it's money for my family's future and food for my family versus Carmax, then I guess that makes it a pretty easy decision.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
It still has symptoms of the timing chain tensioner, so I'm wondering if the problem is perhaps multiple things being wrong. The knock is the knock, we've all heard that. That one time it changed to a distinct squeak, went away completely for a few seconds, then went back to sqeaking still rings in my memory. And the noise was definitely at the front top driver's side of the engine, which is exactly where the TSB for the timing chain tensioners says the sound would be. I guess we'll just take it one step at a time!
(also hard to see in the picture but I have a big chunk of concrete in front of and behind both rear tires)
Just to offer my 3.5 cents on your situation. First, let me list the qualifying part of what I'll say.
I had a story very much like yours where I was the one helping. Back around 2006 my wife and I were border line on having a seven figure bank account. She had her own business. (a very popular eBay shoe store) I was working a 9-5 for an airline and everything was coming up roses all around. Then... her daughter (I adopted her) calls us and needs a place to "crash for a while". She had two kids, 3 and 4 at the time. She had a "husband" with her as well. After a few weeks of coming home and finding him out by my pool, in my chair and drinking my booze I told him it was time to get a job. Another month goes by.. he is still out by my pool, drinking my booze and sitting in my chair so I bought him a one way ticket on Southwest airlines back to Vegas. I walked in told him lets go and drove him to the airport and told him to not let me ever see him again.
Another six months go by and our daughter got herself into some trouble. (meth, coke kind of troble) Let me just cut this short and say between her troubles, stealing from us outright and getting pregnant again, she drove us into bankruptcy within two years. One of the absolute most heart wrenching things I have ever done was to toss her to the streets and send the kids to their father. I haven't seen her in years and honestly I am ok with that.
After all that rambling, the first thing that I have to say is that the decision t have a baby in the middle of everything one was of the dumbest things I have heard of. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to bring a child into a very uncertain world right now. BUt.. you have made that bed now and hopefully you find the strength to make it work for you. Being broken down and finding your way back out of it can build character. Certainly character that not many understand unless you have been there! We've been from near homeless to big money to broke and back again.
The last piece of advice is don't wastes your college time on useless paper. Learn a trade and get good at it. You will never go hungry with needed skills.
I would strongly, strongly suggest giving up on that engine immediately. At this point, how many minutes (total) has it been running with rod knock? And at what speed/load? If the answer isn't "a few seconds at idle" then it's almost certain that this engine needs real machine work to be fixed. I wouldn't drive it 50 miles, even with thicker oil. That has a high chance of leaving you stranded and enjoying another round of towing/walking/spending.
IIRC you have to drop the subframe to pull the pan on a Coyote Mustang, so I wouldn't get into that. And like others said, you don't really have a good path forward if you do get the pan off.
Time to start researching used truck motors. It doesn't matter what else is wrong with your engine, the nuked bearing(s) mean it's time to cut bait.
Tom is correct. The subframe has to be dropped with the suspension to pull the pan. You drove the car a few miles with rod knock. Bearings/thick oil is a waste of time and money. Buy an engine.
Keep in mind, if you replace it with another motor, you'll have your old one to sell or fix and sell.
In reply to jfryjfry (FS) :
That's the wonderful thing about used motors not having core charges.
I'd sell the old/current motor as is to someone wanting to go forged or billet internals. It won't get much, but it'll at least be something.
Damn. I was kind of afraid of that.
Tom - it's been turned on and idled about 3-4 times for less than a minute since this started, and driven to the dealership which is about 2 miles away, never going over 1500rpm. Who knows what the dealership did but just based on the guy that struggled to drive it, I'm guessing they revved the crap out of it.
I guess now I need to start making some calls and comparing prices. This really blows.
infinitenexus said:
. Who knows what the dealership did but just based on the guy that struggled to drive it, I'm guessing they revved the crap out of it.
It's not the dealerships fault. They wouldn't even have touched the car if you checked the filter like everyone said. I'm just wondering if the tech is still considered a lazy shiny happy person now that he's right?
^ Of course, he is he's a mechanic.
VegasNick said:Just to offer my 3.5 cents on your situation. First, let me list the qualifying part of what I'll say.
I had a story very much like yours where I was the one helping. Back around 2006 my wife and I were border line on having a seven figure bank account. She had her own business. (a very popular eBay shoe store) I was working a 9-5 for an airline and everything was coming up roses all around. Then... her daughter (I adopted her) calls us and needs a place to "crash for a while". She had two kids, 3 and 4 at the time. She had a "husband" with her as well. After a few weeks of coming home and finding him out by my pool, in my chair and drinking my booze I told him it was time to get a job. Another month goes by.. he is still out by my pool, drinking my booze and sitting in my chair so I bought him a one way ticket on Southwest airlines back to Vegas. I walked in told him lets go and drove him to the airport and told him to not let me ever see him again.
Another six months go by and our daughter got herself into some trouble. (meth, coke kind of troble) Let me just cut this short and say between her troubles, stealing from us outright and getting pregnant again, she drove us into bankruptcy within two years. One of the absolute most heart wrenching things I have ever done was to toss her to the streets and send the kids to their father. I haven't seen her in years and honestly I am ok with that.
After all that rambling, the first thing that I have to say is that the decision t have a baby in the middle of everything one was of the dumbest things I have heard of. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to bring a child into a very uncertain world right now. BUt.. you have made that bed now and hopefully you find the strength to make it work for you. Being broken down and finding your way back out of it can build character. Certainly character that not many understand unless you have been there! We've been from near homeless to big money to broke and back again.
The last piece of advice is don't wastes your college time on useless paper. Learn a trade and get good at it. You will never go hungry with needed skills.
OP, ignore this crank.
Having a child is an incredible blessing and you are 100% doing the right thing. Especially, since it sounds like you're starting to maybe get up there in age.
In reply to infinitenexus :
You're going to need someone to swap out engines, because that setup you got there isn't going to cut it with that car.
And somewhere to keep both engines.
What are the differences from the truck engine vs the mustang? Different intake manifold, exhaust manifold, cams, front accessories? Things like that need to be accounted for. Hopefully you can find a place that's very familiar with the Coyote.
In reply to Steve_Jones :
Yes the tech, AND service advisor are shiny happy people as they assumed the problem instead of diagnosing and confirming. You take a car to an expert because you want to know what's going on with it, not what is suspected of going on with it.
Had they done a simple oil change and cut open the filter, a conversation could have been had as to if they want to drop the pan to check the bearings. (It wouldn't be prudent to do so as swapping in a truck engine is the more effective measure at this point) but when you have a customer sitting in the waiting room, sometimes anxiousness or curiosity makes them want to know what's going on internally instead of swapping it out. And you get 3 hours of labor in exchange for knowledge and insight that doesn't change the final outcome. So yes the second service advisor still failed themselves and the customer. And they now have a customer who's not going to go back to their service department, nor will they recommend the service department to anyone they know. Had the dealership gone through a proper diagnosis, it wouldn't have changed the end result or financial pain in the matter, but you've had a customer who felt confident that they were walked through the situation shown and had documentation of what was wrong and was taken care of with regards to knowledge and their mind being at ease. I'd fire at least the service advisor on that one single customer interaction.
In reply to yupididit :
From what I understand the differences are relatively minor, and I could always swap my intake manifold onto the truck motor. You're right though, I need a mechanic, a place to store the engines, the whole shebang. I don't see many ways this won't end up costing me close to 5 grand when all is said and done.
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