Lunch Police

Otto Maddox wrote: Has anybody noticed that this isn't just basic elementary school? This is a readiness program for disadvantaged, developmentally disabled, etc. These kids need help with the most basic tasks in life, partially because they are four years old, partially because they aren't in the same situation as a typical four year old. I love a good keep the gubment out of my life discussion, but that isn't really the case here.

Over simplification and a bit of stereotyping here.

According to the "guidelines" a family of 4 making up to $50,975 per year is eligible, as well as those with a parent in active duty.

If a kid, any kid, shows up without a lunch by all means give them one, if they show up with a lunch keep your dirty paws off it.

In reply to BBsGarage:

Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Exactly !

And now you have a big bad grownup in school telling them that their mommy doesnt feed them right but we know better. What does that do to the kids brain? Mommy doesnt like me? The big people in school are gonna take care of me better?

I lived on total crap all through middle school and high school. Glad to see that someone cares about proper nutrition these days, even if the system is a bit flawed.

BBsGarage wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Exactly ! And now you have a big bad grownup in school telling them that their mommy doesnt feed them right but we know better. What does that do to the kids brain? Mommy doesnt like me? The big people in school are gonna take care of me better?

It is just the 1st step of the indoctrination. First it is "have some double-plus good nuggets" then it is "have your parents said anything suspicious?".

When my daughters were four years old, they went to a preschool where 350 lb black women were always trying to fatten them up at lunch time. Not sure this anything to do with the subject, just reminiscing.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

BBsGarage wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Exactly ! And now you have a big bad grownup in school telling them that their mommy doesnt feed them right but we know better. What does that do to the kids brain? Mommy doesnt like me? The big people in school are gonna take care of me better?

It is just the 1st step of the indoctrination. First it is "have some double-plus good nuggets" then it is "have your parents said anything suspicious?".

EXTRA BIGASS FRIES!!!

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Don't worry. There are plenty of male teachers who will help them.

spitfirebill wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Don't worry. There are plenty of male teachers who will help them.

Thats a different lunch time topic.

Lunch time at the catholic school?

Funny how a lot of people on this thread are rightfully concerned about putting a Republican theocrat in the White House, but are relatively OK with an administration that actively promotes the "lunch police".

<----- is bemused.

My god, what is this? 1984?

"Comrade, I am with the Lunch Police and noticed that you do not have enough calcium in your lunch. Big Brother wants you to have strong bones!"

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Did a 4 year old pack the lunch?

As a former teacher at a private school... heck YES we paid attention to what the kids eat, especially the younger ones. Kids who eat junk are harder to manage. Teaching 4th graders, there were plenty of times I told one of the kids they were not going to eat their cookies or pudding or whatever for mid-morning snack, and were going to have crackers or fruit or half their sandwich or something. (Of course, at that age they also knew how to smuggle in packs of cookies and such.) Kindergarten teachers had to darn near lay the food out in order for some kids to be sure they ate a full balanced meal before running off an playing.

The vast majority of parents pack good meals. Some parents don't. We had guidelines of what parents should not pack (candies, soda, or excessive cookies), and suggestions on easy ways to pack healthy foods. Every year, some parents (especially of younger kids) still need reminders at the beginning of the year though. Of course, our guidelines were not strictly laid out in terms of number and type of items in lunch, and what that mother packed was good.

Yeah, I think teachers have a responsibility to be sure their students are eating healthily. That really isn't hard. We're dealing with a bureaucracy here though, and you can't just say, "Teachers should make note of what food students have, and offer options if a child's lunch is not healthy enough." You need to spell out exactly how lunches will be checked, what constitutes "healthy", and how options will be offered. Going through and policing everyone's lunch bags is waaay overdoing it.

A state inspector assessing the pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her.

Actually, I think the subtext here is the important part. Sounds to me like this was one of those occasional official inspections that stresses the crap out of administration and teachers. The sort that causes otherwise sensible people to follow the letter of the absurd law to an absolute T for fear of getting some kind of fine or even more official inspection.

Also, the decision was made by a stupid bureaucrat, not a genuinely caring but overworked teacher.

Salanis wrote:

A state inspector assessing the pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her.

Actually, I think the subtext here is the important part. Sounds to me like this was one of those occasional official inspections that stresses the crap out of administration and teachers. The sort that causes otherwise sensible people to follow the letter of the absurd law to an absolute T for fear of getting some kind of fine or even more official inspection. Also, the decision was made by a stupid bureaucrat, not a genuinely caring but overworked teacher.

It was apparently someone from the state government that works in the department that regulates preschools. So quite possibly a stupid bureaucrat. Apparently they were supposed to just supplement the child's lunch with the missing item for free, but the issue became confused.

By the way, the preschool program is a fully subsidized program that the mother opted into. The lunch requirements (with any related examinations and supplements) are part of the program the woman agreed to be a part of.

Salanis wrote: Yeah, I think teachers have a responsibility to be sure their students are eating healthily.

Why? That is the parents' responsibility, not yours.

Salanis wrote: As a former teacher at a private school... heck YES we paid attention to what the kids eat, especially the younger ones. Kids who eat junk are harder to manage.

So the little girl ended up not eating her healthy sandwich, but eating some greasy fried chicken nuggets instead. That worked out well, didn't it?

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

BBsGarage wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to BBsGarage: Whatever. Four year olds can't even wipe their own ass right. And that is the ones without problems.

Exactly ! And now you have a big bad grownup in school telling them that their mommy doesnt feed them right but we know better. What does that do to the kids brain? Mommy doesnt like me? The big people in school are gonna take care of me better?

It is just the 1st step of the indoctrination. First it is "have some double-plus good nuggets" then it is "have your parents said anything suspicious?".

EXTRA BIGASS FRIES!!!

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I'm with the camp that says this is over the line. If you notice that the student's not eating well, you should talk with the parents, but unless it's criminal abuse, teachers have absolutely no right undermining parents' authority.

In reply to scardeal:

In general, I prefer less government intervention, but in this case mom signed away her authority in this area when she put the kid in the special class at the taxpayers' expense.

oldsaw wrote: Funny how a lot of people on this thread are rightfully concerned about putting a Republican theocrat in the White House, but are relatively OK with an administration that actively promotes the "lunch police".

I agree. I am also a bit bemused by people in this thread who are rightfully concerned about an overly intrusive government yet are relatively OK with voting in an administration that would actively promote their theologically based "moral police".

Pot, kettle, fence, grass....

Bill O'Reilly thinks this whole situation is Obama's fault.

Otto Maddox wrote: Bill O'Reilly thinks this whole situation is Obama's fault.

I hear that made her take condoms home too.