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Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
6/29/13 9:02 p.m.

Whoo Hoo - the wife and I are feeling the pinch on the budget. I don't want to argue and blame her.

Got any dollar stretching tips? Ketchup, hot water, and crackers to make tomato soup?

nicksta43
nicksta43 Dork
6/29/13 9:07 p.m.

Hmmm, not a lot of info to go on but been through this myself.

More detail about the budget is required for accurate advice.

Beer Baron
Beer Baron UltimaDork
6/29/13 9:08 p.m.

Spend less. Earn more.

Rack up credit card debt. It's the American way!

Nah, I got nothing other than to echo your own advice and "don't blame her". How bad is the pinch?

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
6/29/13 9:14 p.m.

In reply to Beer Baron:

Not bad, a part time job or a bump in pay would take care of it.

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/29/13 9:15 p.m.

Both of you need to be involved in making the budget, and both of you need to be involved in following it or coming up with solutions during the inevitable "pinch". That is the solution.

If only one person "pays the bills" or is the sole person who monitors the accounts, then the only feedback the other person ever gets is, "don't spend any money". When the pinch is over there is never a follow-up "it's OK to spend money now" conversation, so the other person starts to feel blamed, even if that is not the intent of the person monitoring the accounts.

Sit down together, look at the payables, look at the projected income, and work together to figure out what can be squoze a little, and what the actual budget will be for food, gas, shelter and utilities. Everything else comes after those in priority. With planning, you should be able to fit everything in, but it will time before some things make it into the budget.

logdog
logdog GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/29/13 9:16 p.m.

There was an episode of the Simpsons where they had a similar situation. Bart offered to take up smoking and then quit to save money. Think that would work?

Beer Baron
Beer Baron UltimaDork
6/29/13 9:20 p.m.
Datsun310Guy wrote: Not bad, a part time job or a bump in pay would take care of it.

Is it caused by a sudden drop in pay? Sudden bump in expenses? Slowly eating through savings by having expenses just slightly higher than income?

Were you already on a pretty tight budget or are there ways you can tighten your belts a notch?

nicksta43
nicksta43 Dork
6/29/13 9:26 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: Both of you need to be involved in making the budget, and both of you need to be involved in following it or coming up with solutions during the inevitable "pinch". That is the solution. If only one person "pays the bills" or is the sole person who monitors the accounts, then the only feedback the other person ever gets is, "don't spend any money". When the pinch is over there is never a follow-up "it's OK to spend money now" conversation, so the other person starts to feel blamed, even if that is not the intent of the person monitoring the accounts. Sit down together, look at the payables, look at the projected income, and work together to figure out what can be squoze a little, and what the actual budget will be for food, gas, shelter and utilities. Everything else comes after those in priority. With planning, you should be able to fit everything in, but it will time before some things make it into the budget.

+1

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/29/13 9:32 p.m.
Datsun310Guy wrote: I don't want to argue and blame her.

What is this want crap? You HAVE to. This is how it has always been done. Lets just hope she is strong enough to accept blame here.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
6/29/13 9:42 p.m.

We will be okay. We can tighten up one more notch. I was looking for more tightwad ideas.......

http://thetightwadgazette.blogspot.com/

http://www.ultimatecheapskate.com/index.cgi

ProDarwin
ProDarwin SuperDork
6/29/13 9:46 p.m.

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/03/22/selling-the-dream-how-to-make-your-spouse-love-frugality/

(there is a part 2 article too)

I'm not married, but I'm struggling with this with my girlfriend. My savings rate is pretty good (>30% of gross), but I want to make sure she's on board for the long haul, and hopefully increase that number a lot more.

1 dollar saving tip I could offer to anyone who is on this forum: stay the berkeley away from cars as a hobby. Get a Prius or a bicycle for commuting, and find something else to do with your [now abundant] spare time.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
6/29/13 9:54 p.m.

In reply to ProDarwin:

LOL. My buddy always said that if everyone in the world drove a beige Taurus........

JohnRW1621
JohnRW1621 PowerDork
6/29/13 9:59 p.m.

Meet a good friend Dave Ramsey
His book(s) is available for free at your local library.
You can watch him on Fox Business Channel or better yet, you can youtube up a lot about him and his advice.
Good starting video.
Catch more for free on his radio talk show.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/29/13 10:05 p.m.

I have read a few of his books from the library recently. A year ago after my wife started running up hospital bills and missing work we had a bit of money trouble. I've got almost everything paid back down and under control with some fairly painless changes.

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
6/29/13 10:41 p.m.

Don't watch television. You don't need all that E36 M3 pitched to you on the commercials. Second hand stores rule! So does cooking from scratch vs processed food.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin SuperDork
6/29/13 10:45 p.m.
Lesley wrote: Second hand stores rule!

This has become one of my recent favorite things. Craigslist/yardsales/consignment shops/etc. Most consumer stuff depreciates like 50% immediately, and probably down below 25% in the first year.

My favorite recent acquisition is a decent wooden step-stool I got for $3.

I really hope I can get handy enough and collect enough to do the wood floors in my house with salvage/leftover wood.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
6/29/13 11:02 p.m.

My wife and I never argue.

I make my point and she becomes completely irrational.

Dollar stretching?

No way to do that, just earn more.

The way that works for me is, the eBay used parts thing pays for my hobbies, that way my paycheque takes care of housing and food.

No extra work to generate fun money = no fun. It becomes a good motivator.

Shawn

drsmooth
drsmooth Reader
6/30/13 1:48 a.m.

As Lesley said Second Hand stores.

Also have sex constantly!! You are too busy to argue if you are having sex.. Make sure you are protected though, If not the expenses will go up..

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/30/13 6:39 a.m.

Eat less meat . . .

MattGent
MattGent New Reader
6/30/13 7:21 a.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: Both of you need to be involved in making the budget, and both of you need to be involved in following it or coming up with solutions during the inevitable "pinch". That is the solution. If only one person "pays the bills" or is the sole person who monitors the accounts, then the only feedback the other person ever gets is, "don't spend any money". When the pinch is over there is never a follow-up "it's OK to spend money now" conversation, so the other person starts to feel blamed, even if that is not the intent of the person monitoring the accounts. Sit down together, look at the payables, look at the projected income, and work together to figure out what can be squoze a little, and what the actual budget will be for food, gas, shelter and utilities. Everything else comes after those in priority. With planning, you should be able to fit everything in, but it will time before some things make it into the budget.

^^^^ THIS

And sign up at mint.com to help do it. Its free. 100% transparency to every transaction you make. Build the budget, stick do it, and be accountable to each other. With mint, each of us has immediate access to every penny, right in the phone we carry every day.

The Dave Ramsey type plans give you a priority list to knock it out, and help form a light at the end of the tunnel, but fundamentally it just takes living within your means. If its really tight, shred the credit cards and go to an "envelope system" of cash allowances by category.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand UberDork
6/30/13 7:34 a.m.

garage sales and shopping at Aldi works wonders for the budget. especially garage sales and second hand stores/clearance racks for kids clothes that they'll be out of in a matter of months anyway.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand UberDork
6/30/13 8:17 a.m.

Separate accounts.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/30/13 8:17 a.m.

Tips...

  • Ditch the house. Loans, insurance, taxes, bills, all if it goes away. A 10 man tent is around $160 for an acceptable one. There are woods near water almost everywhere.
  • Many insects provide excellent nutritional value. Centipedes, Cicadas, ants, grasshoppers. For entertainment value - you can't beat a fistful of meal worms in front of a crowd so eat in public and put a hat down.
  • Mooch internet from people who didn't secure his/her router or hang around a starbucks parking lot.
  • Recycling yards with accept anything - WWII grave markers, brand new catalytic converters, new copper tubing or wiring (burn it first to keep warm. It's worth an extra .05/lb w/o the sheathing!)
  • Some corpses are buried with real gold fillings. Extra income is all around you.
  • Eggs and milk come from farms. Get there early and have a plan for removing buckshot from your ass in case of trouble
  • You can give blood twice a week
  • People need kidneys
  • A healthy white boy baby is worth $50k to some folks.

I'm sure there is some stuff I missed but these should get you started toward a thrifty lifestyle.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UberDork
6/30/13 8:21 a.m.

You haven't said what the root cause is? Is it a reduction in income, gradual overspending starting to catch up, medical, emergency housing or transport expense. How you got to this point is a start on how to get out of it.

How many cars do you have? Sell one. Does one of you 'collect' things? EBay themoff Stop going to Starbucks or out to eat. Do one of you have a shoe habbit! Brown bag lunch Buy a more efficient car. Stop smoking or drinking

The how leads to the resolution

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
6/30/13 8:48 a.m.

There is no such thing as a money problem. It is always a symptom of a deeper root problem (communication? fear? pride? shame? selfishness? laziness? stress? etc...)

A budget is not a limitation. It is a tool for communicating between 2 people, and frees each of them to move forward without fear, knowing their partner has already approved of the expense.

For example... my wife and I budget. I trust her to follow the budget. If she comes home with a new dress, I don't need to get pissed off because I am afraid of not having enough, I need to focus on the fact that I've ALREADY APPROVED THE CLOTHING BUDGET. We agreed, she stuck to it. No fights. Very freeing.

When there is a change, we talk about it and change the budget. It's not that hard. (Don't assume a budget is carved in concrete, and have monthly reviews to make adjustments when necessary).

Failure to communicate well and use tools like budgets to help communicate information leads to fights.

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