aircooled wrote:Bobzilla wrote: ....When someone comes along and says that the facts presented in that picture are a lie, I looked it up. I found that it was in fact true, posted the dated evidence that supported the facts part of it and left it at that......Well that's great. One problem. I never said it was a lie!
I know you didn't. My main issue was with this:
Cone_Junky wrote: Bur my "I hate whatever Obama Does" Facebook page posted this funny meme and I had to share it. Get your relevant facts out of here...
Trying to say it was another made up meme blah blah blah.
EDIT: Is it bad I'm more upset by Tom Clancy passing away than I am our Gov't shut down?
Bobzilla wrote: EDIT: Is it bad I'm more upset by Tom Clancy passing away than I am our Gov't shut down?
Do you think the two events happening at the same time are coincidence? 
TRoglodyte wrote: How long have you believed in Unicorns Mr.Gearin? "Politicians who will look out for the Country first"
Does "Jesse the Body" count as a mythical beast?
Bobzilla wrote:aircooled wrote:I know you didn't. My main issue was with this:Bobzilla wrote: ....When someone comes along and says that the facts presented in that picture are a lie, I looked it up. I found that it was in fact true, posted the dated evidence that supported the facts part of it and left it at that......Well that's great. One problem. I never said it was a lie!Cone_Junky wrote: Bur my "I hate whatever Obama Does" Facebook page posted this funny meme and I had to share it. Get your relevant facts out of here...Trying to say it was another made up meme blah blah blah. EDIT: Is it bad I'm more upset by Tom Clancy passing away than I am our Gov't shut down?
I guess that "relevant" part was irrelevant? But please go on with your relevant straw man argument.
Bobzilla wrote: ....I know you didn't. My main issue was with this:....
OK, I understand.
Problem is, you responded to (and quoted) my post, not his, saying it was wrong, .
Joe Gearin wrote: Throw them all out. We need to look past the R and D and vote for politicians who will look out for the country first, not their political parties.
Unfortunately, our system of govt favors a 2-party system and as long as that is the case, nothing will change.
TRoglodyte wrote:Ian F wrote:Why thank you Mr.F, I daresay your productivity in the last hour has outpaced that of both houses of Congress in the last 3 months, Again, Thank You.TRoglodyte wrote:Why yes... yes there is...AngryCorvair wrote:This is the best thing about this thread right here staring you in the face "BITE ME". Does a recipe exist for such an awesome work of culinary art praytell?what's that i smell? chocolate pudding banana cream pie, motherberkeleyer! do you speak it?
http://www.kraftrecipes.com/recipes/peanut-butter-chocolate-banana-cream-pie-105153.aspx
You're welcome. FWIW, the picture is not of "chocolate pudding banana cream pie" as described by Mr Corvair. It turns out that is a similar, but different and equally delicious looking recipe.
I missed out on reading this thread since this morning ... so I've skipped 4 pages ... (probably haven't missed all that much LOL )
this may have already been covered ... if so ... sorry 
if legislative branch/the executive branch wants to shut down the government... I guess I'd be ok with that ...if and only if they shut down their pay and benefits ...
I'm thinking that things would get moving a lot sooner if that was the case ... yeah, I know, fat chance
George Washington said: The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp
Ah so this is the famous American democracy! Quick better spread it around the world!
Javelin wrote: Luckily for Congress they passed the spending bill for active duty military or there'd be an Egypt-style "reorganization" going on today.
Yes, keeping the guys with the guns paid is very important.
Joe Gearin wrote:TRoglodyte wrote: How long have you believed in Unicorns Mr.Gearin? "Politicians who will look out for the Country first"Does "Jesse the Body" count as a mythical beast?
"If your gonna talk the talk....walk the walk".
Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key. --Carl Spackler
Joe Gearin wrote: Throw them all out. We need to look past the R and D and vote for politicians who will look out for the country first, not their political parties.
What I think we aught to do is not try to back third parties in hopes of shaking up the system, but have a bunch of reasonably intelligent people who are not sycophantic extremists occupy whichever political party they more closely align themselves with. Dislike the Rep's less than the Dem's? Great. Go to your local chapter of party meetings with 20 friends who are like-minded and tired of the way they do things and start taking them over on a local level.
...I say that knowing that I personally won't do it because I am busy with more pressing concerns in my personal life, but I think regular people of more moderate persuasions taking over the two political parties is the best answer.
I have my opinions, but I generally keep them to myself.
I will just say one thing: I wanted to go camping this weekend at Lake Mead National Recreation Area. I have paid my annual pass fee. However, I can not enter the park. Does this mean I get a partial refund on my fee?
In reply to EvanR:
That funny.
Hit your state parks. Ours have been advertising that they are still open even though the feds can't get their act together.
Catatafish wrote: Ah so this is the famous American democracy! Quick better spread it around the world!
Don't be a dick.
Bobzilla wrote:Catatafish wrote: Ah so this is the famous American democracy! Quick better spread it around the world!Don't be a dick.
Isn't that what the internet is for? Being a dick?
RossD wrote:Bobzilla wrote:Isn't that what the internet is for? Being a dick?Catatafish wrote: Ah so this is the famous American democracy! Quick better spread it around the world!Don't be a dick.
Indeed. Good thing we've already taken care of Canadia.
EvanR wrote: I have my opinions, but I generally keep them to myself. I will just say one thing: I wanted to go camping this weekend at Lake Mead National Recreation Area. I have paid my annual pass fee. However, I can not enter the park. Does this mean I get a partial refund on my fee?
If there is no one on duty - invade the park!
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:EvanR wrote: I have my opinions, but I generally keep them to myself. I will just say one thing: I wanted to go camping this weekend at Lake Mead National Recreation Area. I have paid my annual pass fee. However, I can not enter the park. Does this mean I get a partial refund on my fee?If there is no one on duty - invade the park!
Yeah, they can't even pay people to let you, do you think they are going to pay people to go get you out?!?
Ian F wrote:Joe Gearin wrote: Throw them all out. We need to look past the R and D and vote for politicians who will look out for the country first, not their political parties.Unfortunately, our system of govt favors a 2-party system and as long as that is the case, nothing will change.
This two party system was crafted and fostered by...both parties. The League Of Women Voters used to run a very effective, and non-partisan, televised debate that had politico's shaking in their boots. It had the power the sway elections. The League was ousted by a coalition of both political parties who then decided that they would run the debates for further national elections. (Sarcasm now) I'm sure it was not so they could run the debates to their benefit and not to the benefit of the voters. (Sarcasm ended)
In my state, you'll never see a third party candidate in a debate until this two party system is broken or outlawed. Since we put the foxes in the hen house that will never happen.
See Gerrymandering to rig future elections for one party into perpetuity.
In other news...sh!t just got real in DC.
GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown
Here Is the Short GOP Quote That Perfectly Defines the Shutdown
..and now we find out this could all end at anytime!
Congress: Boehner could get a majority of GOPers for a clean CR
Beer Baron wrote: What I think we aught to do is not try to back third parties in hopes of shaking up the system, but have a bunch of reasonably intelligent people who are *not* sycophantic extremists occupy whichever political party they more closely align themselves with. Dislike the Rep's less than the Dem's? Great. Go to your local chapter of party meetings with 20 friends who are like-minded and tired of the way they do things and start taking them over on a local level. ...I say that knowing that I personally won't do it because I am busy with more pressing concerns in my personal life, but I think regular people of more moderate persuasions taking over the two political parties is the best answer.
QFT. The only way there will EVER be a change is if people get involved. Think about it - how do you think the Tea Party folks made their way into the GOP? Enough like-minded people made it happen.
I've pondered joining my local party for awhile now. Not because I really want to, but because I feel like I have to... a civic duty, if you will.
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