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NickD
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8/21/23 2:23 p.m.
Beer Baron said:
Mr_Asa said:
eastsideTim said:
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NickD said:

Bbbut they are iconoclasts

The ultimate goal of the male is to be considered an iconoclast no matter who they are

While I wouldn't say I idolize any of them, I'd say Deadpool is several rungs higher on the moral ladder than anyone else in that picture.

If we're talking morality, Rorschach is exceedingly moral and punishes any and all evil.
Its just that, by everyone else's standards, he's a bit... kookoobatE36 M3.

 

...and that is the point of the critique. He takes what seems like an ideal to its extreme conclusion and shows the flaws in extremism, even extremism for what is "right". He can not accept *any* deviation from his morality and metes out disproportionate punishment in response. What if you took Superman's credo of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way," but removed the compassion and desire to uplift and left only retribution and punishment?

He literally looks at the world through a mask of black and white. No color. No shades of gray.

It is the same reason why Inspector Javeir is a villain, when all he does is enforce the law. It's also why both men are destroyed at the end of their stories because they are too inflexible in their ideologies to accept nuance and uncertainty in a complicated and uncertain world.

“I wanted to kind of make this like, 'Yeah, this is what Batman would be in the real world'. But I had forgotten that actually to a lot of comic fans, that smelling, not having a girlfriend—these are actually kind of heroic! So actually, sort of, Rorschach became the most popular character in Watchmen. I meant him to be a bad example. But I have people come up to me in the street saying, "I am Rorschach! That is my story!' And I'll be thinking: 'Yeah, great, can you just keep away from me, never come anywhere near me again as long as I live'?”

― Alan Moore

Appleseed
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8/21/23 2:40 p.m.
NickD said:

When it's dark all day, everyday, these characters seem more and more like heroes.

NickD
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8/21/23 3:21 p.m.

Doyle and Houdini had become friends through their shared interest in spiritualism. However, Houdini was very skeptical and spent much of his life debunking mediums and psychics. Doyle, despite having authored Sherlock Holmes, was apparently not skeptical at all and even believed Houdini’s escape artistry was thanks to supernatural powers, something Houdini vehemently denied.

One day, Doyle told Houdini about how his wife was a medium who could allow the spirits of the deceased to enter her body and use her to write letters from beyond the grave. Doyle suggested they have a séance so they could communicate with Houdini’s dead mother. They did the séance, where Doyle’s wife wrote several letters she claimed were from his mother. However, Houdini pointed out that she drew a cross at the top of each letter, something his mother who was the wife of a Rabbi wouldn’t do, and that the letters were all written in fluent English, a language his mother barely understood. Doyle got mad at Houdini for calling his wife a fraud, and their friendship ended.

 

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8/21/23 9:10 p.m.

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8/21/23 9:26 p.m.

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8/21/23 10:08 p.m.
Duke said:

He's beguiling.

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8/21/23 10:31 p.m.

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8/22/23 1:57 p.m.
fasted58 said:

When the HOA won't let you build a deck, but doesn't say anything about parking a trailer in your backyard. 

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