Meme Thread... no politics

In reply to David S. Wallens about the BMW M5 Touring :

In reply to johndej :

I'm a 40-something old man in the grocery store tonight and they're playing "Hangin Tough" by New Kids on the Block. I get home and bust out the "Songs from your 80's childhood" playlist on Spotify. Now I have a hankering to hang out with people my own age who used to listen to that stuff and can relate. Ever since we moved here all I know are 30-somethings. 

How the medical and pharmaceutical world works. 

Not that my fat ass has any room to talk. 

That's not actually how it works.  It works like this:

Doctor:  You should change your lifestyle.  Really, I mean it.

Patient:  *doesn't change lifestyle*

Doctor:  Well, correcting the issue at all is more important than correcting it the best way, so here's a medication that's better than nothing.

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In reply to Duke :

Yup, I'm healthier than a lot of people my age, but my doctor still pushes me towards lifestyle changes, rather than getting me on a chronic prescription.  Since I really don't like taking pills, I try to follow his recommendations.  Unfortunately, I also have a massive sweet tooth.

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Duke said:

That's not actually how it works.  It works like this:

Doctor:  You should change your lifestyle.  Really, I mean it.

Patient:  *doesn't change lifestyle*

Doctor:  Well, correcting the issue at all is more important than correcting it the best way, so here's a medication that's better than nothing.

Heh.  I wish.  Every time I've had an issue its more like this:

Doctor:  The problem is x, here are some meds
Patient:  Are these long term?  What other solutions are there?
Doctor: *sigh* well, you could do X, Y, or Z

Sadly in most cases, diet, exercise, or lifestyle changes have not been the first recommendation.  There are a few exceptions though.

RealMiniNoMore (Forum Supporter) said:

That looks like it would get you BLASTED and use a ton of weed.

Guys, lighten up. 

prodarwin said:

Duke said:

That's not actually how it works.  It works like this:

Doctor:  You should change your lifestyle.  Really, I mean it.
Patient:  *doesn't change lifestyle*
Doctor:  Well, correcting the issue at all is more important than correcting it the best way, so here's a medication that's better than nothing.

Heh.  I wish.  Every time I've had an issue its more like this:

Doctor:  The problem is x, here are some meds
Patient:  Are these long term?  What other solutions are there?
Doctor: *sigh* well, you could do X, Y, or Z

Sadly in most cases, diet, exercise, or lifestyle changes have not been the first recommendation.  There are a few exceptions though.

I've been getting regular checkups for almost 60 years, from a variety of doctors, and I can't think of a single issue where I was recommended medication as a first line of defense against something that could be improved by diet and exercise.  DW either.

And the reason I'm being serious is because I berking hate this idiotic meme and everything related to it:

In reply to Duke :

In reply to prodarwin :

"Heh.  I wish.  Every time I've had an issue its more like this:

Doctor:  The problem is x, here are some meds
Patient:  Are these long term?  What other solutions are there?
Doctor: *sigh* well, you could do X, Y, or Z

Sadly in most cases, diet, exercise, or lifestyle changes have not been the first recommendation.  There are a few exceptions though."

That has been the experience of Mrs. VCH and her mom, too.  To the point where Mrs. VCH actively avoids doctors.  And yet, amazingly, by changing her diet and lifestyle, she manages to be perfectly healthy without pills.  

Likely, as with everything, there's truth on both sides.  And plenty of blame to go around.  All doctors are different, as are all patients.  

Meme for memeyness:

In reply to Duke :

Then I'd say you got pretty damn lucky with the doctor's. 

Me experience has always been "here's some meds, take them so I can get a kickback" those meds made everything worse "have some different meds, same company, but it's the meds they developed to cut the edge on the other meds that oh E36 M3 look at that, 5 years after bribing through testing turns out they're horrible for you, so the company will pay a joke of a fine and continue to sell the meds"

As long as everything in society is based around profits, everything including poisoning us then selling us the cure, is on the table for profits. 

Just look at all the carcinogens in our food, water, air, soil, food "products" because they don't contain enough actual food to be considered food in the civilized world they need to be called "food products".

When the pharmaceutical companies are baking in lawsuit payouts to their pricing schemes before they even get the E36 M3 on the market, you gotta at least ask why they aren't being held to as higher standard. 

And that's long before we mix in the billing people at the insurance companies with zero medical experience deciding if you can even be allowed to have the medicine the doctor prescribed in the first place. 

I take a statin for high cholesterol. My very good Dr. suggested it. I suggested maybe changing my eating habits, and she was skeptical that I could maintain it. I changed my eating habits, a lot, for like a year. It did nothing. I had to use the statin.

Tunawife went to a Dr and they were ready to pull the gall bladder out for what was eventually correctly diagnosed as Barretts esophagus, which could kill her if undiagnosed. She changed her eating habits (and her Dr) and doesn't have to use an antacid anymore.

I went to a pulmonologist for sleep apnea. I had an app recording me, and it was clear as day. The guy, without looking at me, right out of the gates, says something like "Hey Mr. Tuna, 95% of my sleep apnea patients are obese, you have narcolepsy." and I had to shut him up long enough to hear the recording, "Oh, you have sleep apnea!". Yeah, no E36 M3 Doc. Thanks

I drive Tunawife to Vanderbilt University and Emory University every year because her weirdo condition needs specialists. I love modern medicine, but some doctors suck just like some mechanics suck. The student that finishes first in medical school is the valedictorian. The student that finishes last is called "doctor".

We need both. Eat healthy, don't drink too much, don't snack too much, don't be sedentary, don't smoke, and sometimes you'll need medicine for things anyway.

In reply to RevRico :

I'm... not going to get into this kind of political argument here.

I'm just going to say that my wife was in the chemical, pharmaceutical, and agricultural sciences testing industry for almost 40 years.  It doesn't actually go the way you seem to think it does.

In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :

HT came to a local bar, I wonder what the conversation she had from fans. Are people thanking her for the advice or what is the allure? She sounds like a idiot from the outside of the craze.