Not so Super Duty.

An old story.

I didn't know about the 6.0 diesel problems but this part of the story underlines an argument against joining class action suits I've heard before.

And, if he's lucky, after the lawyers take their share he might have enough left to buy a new truck. 

I didn't see it in there, but does anyone know what the ultimate problem was with the 6.0?

In reply to ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) :

Kind of the articles point.

He'll get a new truck. The class action plaintiffs will get floor mats.

I've heard the murmurs about the 6.0, but like so many things, I'm still not sure what percentage of people have issues, or how that varies from "the average engine."

It continues a recent thought about Telsa build quality, how different that is from established players, the VW TDI common rail HPFP issues, Ford Focus (?) gearboxes... How bad is fraudulently bad? How does that compare to normal? How does perception play into this, given that my gut says that Tesla does *crazy* stuff, but then we have "normal" companies just quietly insisting that stuff isn't as broken as it really is until they courts tell them the game's up.

It's exhausting.

I had pretty good results from a class action suite v. Mazda in 1977 or thereabouts.   I'd bought a new '73 RX3 wagon.  Folks were dubious about the longevity of apex seals so Mazda warranted the engine for 50K miles, which was a long engine warranty back then.  Sure enough, the seals on the RX3 failed at around 51K.  Mazda wouldn't help me.  I even knew & drank with and played darts with the regional service rep & he couldn't get me any help.  

I had the engine rebuilt at the dealer. IIRC it cost me around $750.  I kept the car a couple of more years and traded it on another car. I vowed to never buy another Mazda (and I haven't).   I was never aware that I was a party in a class action suit until I went to the mail box one day and found a check for $600 with a letter explaining that I was a party in the suit.

Mr_Asa said:

I didn't see it in there, but does anyone know what the ultimate problem was with the 6.0?

There are several. Owners abuse is about the largest segment, although not a popular or often admitted one. 

I have an 03 (considered the worst year) with 140K (original owner is a coworker) and zero of the horror story problems. I know of 2 other one owner trucks with over 200K and no problems. I also know of ones that had lots of problems... and there is more to the story than they tell people!

Mr_Asa said:

I didn't see it in there, but does anyone know what the ultimate problem was with the 6.0?

Which problem? Paper thin cylinder decks (for a diesel), E36 M3ty clamping hardware to hold the heads to the block, or an EGR cooler that plugs because of particulates?

It was a complete stop gap motor pushed on International/Navistar by Ford to pass the upcoming tightened emissions. Then the bean counters took over. The 6.0 is decent motor as designed, but turn it up 10hp, it's like hitting the self destruction button.

In the interest of correcting exaggerations, yea, the deck's should have been thicker; but paper thin... that'd be some heavy paper to carry around.  Does have more HP from the factory than the "average" turned up 7.3 (and I love the 7.3's I've had) and the light weight (for a diesel) engine did OK at factory power. 

10 HP destroys one... hardly. Turn one up by as big a percentage as the venerable 7.3 - it ain't gonna last.

EGR cooler design is prolly not the worst emissions knee jerk ever, but its up at the head of that list for sure!! Almost a bad a plan as bongs on our exhaust!!!

Ford will never admit it publicly, but some of the "lets go cheap mass production" clamping problems (horrible plan) were actually caused by a bad production machine that QC missed. Or so urban legend go's. If you got one from that machine, you were going to have problems stock or turned up. Add that to all the turned up and abused ones that were turned back down before being taken in, and a bad rep. will follow. But yea, there are better ways to bolt a head to a block.

Oh, and LOTS of turbo problems, but that's not really a 6.0 only problem.

I just paid $7500 for one bone cold stock (plus the truck it's in). I know I'll have to spend a couple grand in parts and pull the cab ONE DAY... to make the top end as tough as the bottom end. That would piss me slam off it I bought it new. But knowing that going in, I'm liking it much better than the 7.3's I've had - and the 6.4 for that matter. 140K miles, so far, and while it has been worked HARD a lot, it has not been turned up or abused. I hope for at least another 100K before I have to fix Ferds bo bo's

These have a multitude of issues. I wont work on them on pure liability. 

When old man was working at the ford dealership when they came out he said legitimately they where replacing 3-4motors a day from 2004-2012.

I can go deeper into the issues/problems if anyone wants me to. 

The same motor was badged as a Vt365 in International applications and was not an issue for the most part. It was detuned, but it also worked harder in those medium duty applications. 

I often think the bad reputation vehicles and engines get now are thanks to enthusiast forums. No one goes on line to complain if their toy is running well so all you read about is the problems.

bearmtnmartin said:

I often think the bad reputation vehicles and engines get now are thanks to enthusiast forums. No one goes on line to complain if their toy is running well so all you read about is the problems.

That line of thinking is what led me to buying a Mercedes.

I was a service advisor at Ford when the 6.0's came out.  They were so bad, they didn't count any surveys from a 6.0 owner.  The other advisor bought a new Harley Edition.  We probably spent about $7500 in warranty before Ford just offered him a new gas model instead.  It was never modified in any way.  No matter what we did, changed, programmed or checked the truck would have no throttle responce till about 60% of pedal travel.  According to computers and sensors, everything was working, but it just wasnt.

We did have one come in with a blown transmission.  We pulled some strange code out of the ECM, called ford and they made us "impound" the ECM.  I guess the story was that the guy had the truck tuned and the ecm new it.  Ford covered the transmission, but took the guys ECM and made him buy and program the new one

bearmtnmartin said:

The same motor was badged as a Vt365 in International applications and was not an issue for the most part. It was detuned, but it also worked harder in those medium duty applications. 

I often think the bad reputation vehicles and engines get now are thanks to enthusiast forums. No one goes on line to complain if their toy is running well so all you read about is the problems.

I'll bite on this one. There is a reason our junkyard local is full of 6.no powered ambulances, dump trucks, trash trucks ect.