I should feel better that I wasn't the only one to laugh.
I should feel better that I wasn't the only one to laugh.
Right there with yas.
JG Pasterjak wrote:Bobzilla wrote: so another kid brings a toy to school and we're in an uproar over it? Is that what I'm hearing? Got it.Nothing new to see here, just more pussification of our society.Yeah, this was absolutely not a kid bringing a toy to school. It was very much a troubled kid with a score to settle thinking this might be a good way to do it. The gun was a highly realistic airsoft version of an HK M&P. She may not have even known it wasn't a real gun. 't she waved it at a cop, she'd have likely been shot. If she were 18 and did this she'd most certainly be in jail. If the county makes good decisions, I'm completely on board with their decision to keep things quiet initially. Becoming the center of a reactionary poo-storm will not help this kid one bit. What she needs is some real counseling. My big fear with putting her back in the class is that as far as the other kids are concerned, they're sticking a loose cannon who tried to murder them a few days ago back in their environment. I can only see that making things worse. And, yes, the parents are most definitely the root of the problem here. I've been hearing about these folks all year. Trouble was coming, this is just how it manifested itself.
Then unless CPS is involved, the school's hands are tied, as they should be. The schools do not have authoritarian control over your child. This is an issue that should be handled from the home side, not the school side. IF the parents are not willing to address a serious issue, then CPS needs to be involved.
Growing up, EVERY SINGLE ONE of my toy guns looked real. FAke looking guns were stupid... . John Wayne didn't have a blue M1 Carbine in the Sands of Iwo Jima!
When I was in high school I took a Vietnam War history class. For a presentation I brought in my dad's trunk full of pictures, mementos (including training grenades etc) and I also brought in an AR and AK complete with their period bayonets and field kits.
JG Pasterjak wrote: The gun was a highly realistic airsoft version of an HK M&P.
S&W makes the M&P, not H&K. MP5?
Incidentally, if Sesame St. ever does firearms training, I expect that's what it will sound like.
"Today's lesson is brought to you by the letters USP, and the number .45."
This is not about a kid who Brought In a gun... this is about a kid who Waved Around a gun.
Will wrote:JG Pasterjak wrote: The gun was a highly realistic airsoft version of an HK M&P.S&W makes the M&P, not H&K. MP5? Incidentally, if Sesame St. ever does firearms training, I expect that's what it will sound like. "Today's lesson is brought to you by the letters USP, and the number .45."
My bad. All of my stuff says "STI" on the side, so I don't pay a lot of attention to those silly things. And, yeah, it was a fake M&P. And apparently the orange tip had been removed or painted.
Toy or not, if someone waved this at me, I might feel a bit threatened:
I'm still confused where this theory of "Its not my job, let counselors deal with it" came from. That will just make the kid bitter. I've been the kid in this case. 
Beer Baron wrote: This is not about a kid who Brought In a gun... this is about a kid who Waved Around a toy.
FTFY
I know they are toys because my kids have been shooting the E36 M3 out of each other with them for years and they are still alive!
rebelgtp wrote: When I was in high school I took a Vietnam War history class. For a presentation I brought in my dad's trunk full of pictures, mementos (including training grenades etc) and I also brought in an AR and AK complete with their period bayonets and field kits.
You lucky berkeleyer, my HS history teacher was a draft dodger during Vietnam. Oddly, he managed to get mad at watching 9/11 on live TV in class.
yamaha wrote: I'm still confused where this theory of "Its not my job, let counselors deal with it" came from. That will just make the kid bitter. I've been the kid in this case.
Not sure why you think that theory is in play. Because I think the kid needs some counseling—some attention from a professional specifically trained in these matters—doesn't mean I think everyone else should ignore her.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:Beer Baron wrote: This is not about a kid who Brought In a gun... this is about a kid who Waved Around a toy.FTFY I know they are toys because my kida have been shooting the E36 M3 out of each other with them for years and they are still alive!
You guys seem to be missing the very important point that this kid entered the situation with the intent to be a threat. Although her gun was not real, it was indistinguishable from a real gun until it was inspected. The kid may have even believed it to be a actual firearm. The kid's clearly got issues, and needs some professional help.
stuart in mn wrote: In reply to tuna55: That is messed up.
what ??? what she was doing ? or that the school didn't do anything ?
JG Pasterjak wrote: You guys seem to be missing the very important point that this kid entered the situation with the intent to be a threat.
I was once attacked by a Yorkshire Terrier. I believe he meant to kill me but... he was just a little dog.
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
Pretty much, the #1 problem with this entire thread is the thought that a 3rd grade girl had any concept of why what she was doing wasn't acceptable. She probably knew she had a toy, but as I stated on the first page, she most likely just wants attention.
GPS, related to your picture..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXJfUPSQhM
In a former life I drove an ice cream truck for a couple of Summers.
Early one Summer a kid came up to the truck with a toy gun, and was shooting me with it-- in front of the other kids. I told him it was rude to point a gun at someone-- toy or not. He kept pointing it at me--- as little brats do. After a while I told him fine......no more ice cream for you......for the entire Summer!
A few days later he came up to the truck and handed a friend his $$. I asked the friend if the ice cream was for the brat---she said yes. I looked at the kid and told him he had lost his ice cream privileges. He cried, but I'm a mean bastard, so I didn't relent.
The next time I was in the neighborhood he came to the truck with his pissed-off Mom. She started to bitch, but then I told her the entire story. She looked at the kid, he admitted it was true. He then apologized and I accepted and sold him ice cream for the rest of the Summer--- and he was always courteous and well behaved.
Sometimes a kid just needs to be put in their place. Sounds like this is the case with J.G's wife's student. A good sit-down explaining why what she did was wrong may be all she needs.....or it may not.
take home message-------Don't berkeley with the ice cream man! 
In reply to Joe Gearin:
What you're saying is she needs a parent. Sadly, it also sounds like that is the one thing she seems to be missing.
Contrary to popular belief, the SCHOOL cannot raise your child. That is YOUR responsibility. It is not hte school's responsibility. It is not societies responsibility. It is not a counselor's responsibility. It's not the police officer's responsibility. It's not the TV's responsibility. It's yours, and yours alone.
A group of us played "assassin" in high school with the airsoft's predecessor (same pellets but a fraction of the force). You got a list of players and eliminated them between classes. Winner got a large pizza.
Sounds incredibly stupid today.
That being said, sounds like the little miss needs an early vacation and a good chat with an authority figure.
Bobzilla wrote: In reply to Joe Gearin: What you're saying is she needs a parent. Sadly, it also sounds like that is the one thing she seems to be missing. Contrary to popular belief, the SCHOOL cannot raise your child. That is YOUR responsibility. It is not hte school's responsibility. It is not societies responsibility. It is not a counselor's responsibility. It's not the police officer's responsibility. It's not the TV's responsibility. It's yours, and yours alone.
Shut your whore mouth! You know it takes a village to raise a child!!!!!!
spitfirebill wrote:Bobzilla wrote: In reply to Joe Gearin: What you're saying is she needs a parent. Sadly, it also sounds like that is the one thing she seems to be missing. Contrary to popular belief, the SCHOOL cannot raise your child. That is YOUR responsibility. It is not hte school's responsibility. It is not societies responsibility. It is not a counselor's responsibility. It's not the police officer's responsibility. It's not the TV's responsibility. It's yours, and yours alone.Shut your whore mouth! You know it takes a village to raise a child!!!!!!
I know I lknow.... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Bobzilla wrote: In reply to Joe Gearin: What you're saying is she needs a parent. Sadly, it also sounds like that is the one thing she seems to be missing. Contrary to popular belief, the SCHOOL cannot raise your child. That is YOUR responsibility. It is not hte school's responsibility. It is not societies responsibility. It is not a counselor's responsibility. It's not the police officer's responsibility. It's not the TV's responsibility. It's yours, and yours alone.
Crap. That's why I upgraded to the premium channel package. I guess I'll leave it up to the XBOX to raise my kids then
After watching the latest episode of Fargo (spoiler alert)...you think maybe her a-hole Uncle planted the gun in her backpack?
Honestly, I think the adults in this situation need a lot more counseling and education than the child does. Lots of over-reaction here.
First off, you said the student never made it to class, and that there was no "protocol". Sure there was. The student was stopped, the gun taken away. Does there also have to be retribution for it to be adequate?
Then you use phrases like "brandishing a weapon", and "loose cannon who tried to murder them". A little sensationalistic, don't you think?
Removal of the orange tip would be a crime. Do the adults understand this? Have they responded appropriately? Have they taught the children about orange tips so they can feel safer in the future?
You've said a lot about the child's intent. You REALLY don't know anything about her intent.
Letter to the newspaper is a truly terrible idea. It serves absolutely no purpose other than riling people up.
OK, let's agree on something. Your primary concern is the child needs help. I agree. But, if this was a known troubled youth (which is the only way anyone could possibly have guessed at intent), then shame on the grownups again. Are you saying that all of the involved adults (teachers, parents, administrators, etc) RECOGNIZE this child as needing counseling, yet NO ONE takes any action whatsoever until the child threatens someone?? In my opinion, every single adult in the mix should be expected to sign up for counseling and crisis training themselves, because they are a terrible accident waiting to happen.
This child is looking for attention, and should be given some appropriate attention. She should be taught the POSITIVE ways to influence people, so she doesn't have to resort to things she does not understand.
But she has committed no crime, and apparently broken no rule. It makes no sense to make up rules on the fly because the grownups are uncomfortable and don't know how to act around an 8 year old.
In reply to SVreX:
Thanks you.
A girl I used to date was a 3rd grade teacher in a really crap part of town. Not only were the parents not involved for the most part, some of them were pimping their daughters out for crack,others would not come fully dressed, and others would never be bathed. And these same parents were some of the worst when it came time for grades. After 20 years there, she had enough and quit. The last straw was when they installed a phone in the classroom and were told they could no longer discipline students, but instead had to call their parents, most of which couldn't be bothered or they threatened the teacher.
So, she moved to Florida and now teaches at a charter school. Most of the students are low income, and all are required to have serious parental involvement. There are no such silly rules as most public schools either. Long story short, their students have like a 95% HS graduation rate with about a 90% number accepted to college. It's way above average, and they do not have any real disciple problems either. The big difference, the parents HAVE to be involved or the child gets sent back to public school.
Bobzilla wrote: In reply to Joe Gearin: What you're saying is she needs a parent. Sadly, it also sounds like that is the one thing she seems to be missing. Contrary to popular belief, the SCHOOL cannot raise your child. That is YOUR responsibility. It is not hte school's responsibility. It is not societies responsibility. It is not a counselor's responsibility. It's not the police officer's responsibility. It's not the TV's responsibility. It's yours, and yours alone.
you must be wrong … Hiillary Clinton says it takes a village to raise a child
edit: dangit … spitfire bill beat me to it
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