To be fair, so is being able to "feel" quality.
To be fair, so is being able to "feel" quality.
spitfirebill wrote: In reply to SVreX: You're making a lot of assumptions.
Huh?
I think people who make the generalization that these methods are crap are making a lot of assumptions.
Obviously a staple that misses the framing member is useless, but that is a completely different issue than saying the fastener is crap. Poor workmanship is the hallmark of poor construction. Improper use of a fastener does not make the fastener useless.
A crappy weld doesn't mean that welding is a useless fastening technique.
The turn this thread has taken has me wanting to reread Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. All about the pursuit of quality and the definition thereof.
Back on Dave's house: the way im reading, it appears that you stripped the original diagonal planking, found rotted joists, cut them out, installed new joists, plywood flooring. Correct? What about insulation and the plumbing that was running in between the layers?
In reply to Dusterbd13:
Looks like the pipes are still there in Dave's 1st 2 pictures, but now have pipe insulation on them.
Yo dawg, I heard you liked floors, so we put a floor on your floor on your floor so you can do your flooring on flooring on flooring.
If you want it done right, do it yourself...
Dusterbd13 wrote: The turn this thread has taken has me wanting to reread Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. All about the pursuit of quality and the definition thereof. Back on Dave's house: the way im reading, it appears that you stripped the original diagonal planking, found rotted joists, cut them out, installed new joists, plywood flooring. Correct? What about insulation and the plumbing that was running in between the layers?
I put new 2x10s around the perimeter sistered to the old main beams, then new joists. Joists are insulated with r19 fiberglass. Water lines run through that fiberglass and they also have their own foam pipe insulation. Forced hot air ducts got a butyl rubber insulation layer and then a fiberglass insulating wrap covered with mylar. And to top it all off, I've gone through 8 big cans of expanding foam filling every nook and cranny I can find.
That is actually an indian head penny, the wheat penny did not make it's debut until 1909.
Nathan JansenvanDoorn wrote: This story reminds me of the time I took the engine out of the 964 to replace the head studs.
You found dirt underneath?
Dusterbd13 wrote: The turn this thread has taken has me wanting to reread Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. All about the pursuit of quality and the definition thereof. Back on Dave's house: the way im reading, it appears that you stripped the original diagonal planking, found rotted joists, cut them out, installed new joists, plywood flooring. Correct? What about insulation and the plumbing that was running in between the layers?
Oh, and the planking wasn't diagonal. Everything was laid in line one layer over the other.
Can we call this thread what it is- a build thread? 
It's not a build thread unless I'm welding on something.
Start welding something then, this is fun.
DaveEstey wrote: It's not a build thread unless I'm welding on something.
Looks like you are going to have to solder some copper pipe. So you are bonding metal with hot metal.
Close enough.
Otherwise, feel free to weld some of that wood. That would be really interesting.
That would be arson.
You can't weld wood. Air, rust and dirt, but not wood.
An old friend reportedly got wood to strike an arc after letting it sit in a very nasty pool for a very long time.
I am pretty sure this doesn't help, but it's a datapoint. Sort of.
Gearheadotaku wrote: If you want it done right, do it yourself...
Unless you don't know what you're doing, in which case you should get someone who does.
Keith Tanner wrote:Gearheadotaku wrote: If you want it done right, do it yourself...Unless you don't know what you're doing, in which case you should get someone who does.
Oh yeah. Trouble is, lots of people don't know what they don't know.
Holy berk they welded wood
Streetwiseguy wrote:Keith Tanner wrote:Oh yeah. Trouble is, lots of people don't know what they don't know.Gearheadotaku wrote: If you want it done right, do it yourself...Unless you don't know what you're doing, in which case you should get someone who does.
And those are usually the people who think they are experts.
And now we're right back to where we started, discussing questionable home repairs by people who think they're experts and who thought "if it's going to be done right, it'll have to be me doing it"
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