wha? In what universe is that a police takedown and not a UFC tryout?
Closed fist punches to the face and no attempt to secure the arms? Yeah, that was an attack, not an attempt to detain.
wha? In what universe is that a police takedown and not a UFC tryout?
Closed fist punches to the face and no attempt to secure the arms? Yeah, that was an attack, not an attempt to detain.
z31maniac wrote: Toyman and oldsaw, Then why file a false report?
The way I read the article, it is the author who claims the report is false. This is the same person who states the dash cam was turned off while simultaneously providing a link to video taken by said dash cam.
Please, anyone, educate me on how a disabled camera , i.e. turned off, can still be recording?
I'm not attempting to absolve the cops of any blame. What I am saying is that too little information, too much bias in the article and too many people jumping to conclusions leave a bad taste in my mouth.
oldsaw wrote: I'm not attempting to absolve the cops of any blame. What I am saying is that too little information, too much bias in the article and too many people jumping to conclusions leave a bad taste in my mouth.
You know what else would leave a bad taste in your mouth?
Getting kicked in the nuts then punched in the face repeatedly while your down instead of being detained and having your arms restrained.
The only "jump" I'll concede there is I have no idea how Australian police are trained. Here in America, that E36 M3 is brutality.
In reply to J308:
The incident occurred in Melbourne, FL, not Melbourne, Vic, AU.
Thank you for proving my point on those who post without questioning what they read. How does that taste, J308?
Again, the article is only a bit more than an "opinion piece" with little regard to traditional journalistic rules . If that's OK with you, or anyone else, I can only say I have different standards.
J308 wrote: wha? In what universe is that a police takedown and not a UFC tryout? Closed fist punches to the face and no attempt to secure the arms? Yeah, that was an attack, not an attempt to detain.
When someone resists and you can't detain them, you do what you have to if you want them to comply. I'm not condoning what the police officer did, but explaining how I could see myself in a similar situation with a strong subject.
N Sperlo wrote:J308 wrote: wha? In what universe is that a police takedown and not a UFC tryout? Closed fist punches to the face and no attempt to secure the arms? Yeah, that was an attack, not an attempt to detain.When someone resists and you can't detain them, you do what you have to if you want them to comply. I'm not condoning what the police officer did, but explaining how I could see myself in a similar situation with a strong subject.
They had tools available. The cops, at best, made a bad judgment call. They should be held responsible.
In reply to oldsaw:
I don't need to RTFA to know what I see.
An unarmed man NOT being backed away from while being threatened with non-lethal force.
I'll also concede that I jump to that decision without audio. If the guy walking was saying he was going to kill the officer with his bare hands, then yeah, that would make some difference, but... I've seen officers back away while forcefully threatening to tase someone, and it looked a whole lot more appropriate than what I see in that video.
It tastes just fine. And you can just call me J, the 308 isn't necessary. 
In reply to N Sperlo:
I agree if you're talking about protecting your family.
When you a trained police officer with a baton, you don't punch people in the face repeatedly. haha.
That said, I didn't see him attempt to detain and fail. Srsly.
For a minute, I thought he was going to Stone Cold Stun that guy in the street!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWgbBgjE05I
J308 wrote: In reply to N Sperlo: I agree if you're talking about protecting your family. When you a trained police officer with a baton, you don't punch people in the face repeatedly. haha. That said, I didn't see him attempt to detain and fail. Srsly. For a minute, I thought he was going to Stone Cold Stun that guy in the street! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWgbBgjE05I
When did you go through the academy, and when was the last time you were hit in the leg with a metal shaft?
When someone is old, a broken nose would be a lot better than what damage the ASP baton can do. As for the kick. That was uncalled for IMHO.
Show me the police report, the video, the audio, and any other information pertaining to the case. Then I'll tell you if the cop was being an ass and needs disciplinary action. Without that information, you are jumping to conclusions, just like the ass that wrote the article wanted you to. Agenda driven media is worse than no media at all.
Get the ring out of the nose.
Ouch. I was going to withhold comment until I viewed the video.
Respectfully reserving comments about racial stereotyping and abuse of authority, I wish there were audio; it'd fill in the picture. Much of what there was to be seen of the assailant is occluded by the officer. I do know that in the instance of not being grabbed, punched or having a weapon drawn on you, it's probably best not to kick an old man down on video, then once the "aggressor" is detained, taze him in the face. An aggressive style of walk seems a little shy of probable cause.
Snap decisions may have been incorrect and gotten out of hand, in this instance. I'm on the fence, the courts can decide.
I just watched the video.
I'm disgusted.
N Sperlo wrote: When did you go through the academy, and when was the last time you were hit in the leg with a metal shaft? When someone is old, a broken nose would be a lot better than what damage the ASP baton can do. As for the kick. That was uncalled for IMHO.
The only academy I'm familiar with is the one starring Steve Guttenberg.
Unfortunately, I've been in the wrong place at the wrong time a lot in my life, and I've seen the aforementioned tactics in person. I dunno if they are trained to whack the leg first, but I've seen the threat+quick wack+weird standing arm-bar/twist into "hey dude, you got a knee in yo back and ya arm is about to be dislocated!"
So yeah, I'm not a trained anything but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express this one time. In my personal, saw this E36 M3 with my own eyes experience 7-8 times, plus every episode of Cops my dad watched while I was a kid and had no separate TV or remote rights, that junk looks excessive.
So it sounds like you're conceding it was at least a bit much, and I'm conceding that I jumped to conclusions and don't know the whole story, can't we just disagree to disagree?
J308 wrote: Unfortunately, I've been in the wrong place at the wrong time a lot in my life, and I've seen the aforementioned tactics in person. In my personal, saw this E36 M3 with my own eyes experience 7-8 times, plus every episode of Cops my dad watched while I was a kid and had no separate TV or remote rights, that junk looks excessive.
Cops are in a wrong place/wrong time situation every moment they are on-duty. Some of them screw-up and deserve punishment; some of them are just doing their jobs and get pilloried by the ignorant and uninformed.
BTW, if you've seen this kind of stuff 7-8 times, have you ever considered changing your environment? Why would anyone put themselves in that kind of situation more than once?
Seems like some unlearned life-lessons might have passed your way. Oh, and stop watching Cops and Guttenberg movies, too.
oldsaw wrote: BTW, if you've seen this kind of stuff 7-8 times, have you ever considered changing your environment? Why would anyone put themselves in that kind of situation more than once? Seems like some unlearned life-lessons might have passed your way. Oh, and stop watching Cops and Guttenberg movies, too.
Just lucky I guess. Had a buddy get into a fight at a gas station with a bully, he got bullied, beat in a fight, then slammed to the ground and arrested. Gotta love small towns. No kick, no punch, just a face full of asphalt and a twisted arm.
Been around people in cities drinking and having a good time. Ah well, that's 4-5 of them. Many of them unwarranted or just bad decisions once faced with the police, none of them friends of mine, just in the area. None of them kicked in the nuts or punched in the face.
Been to Mardi Gras. Yeah, good luck with that one. I was actually almost knocked through a window by Nawlins' finest "detaining" a guy who probably should've been kicked in the nuts and punched in the face... and probably saw 3, maybe 4 of those that week. (so I'm guessing that brings my estimate up to ~10. yikes.)
So yeah, not much I could do about my environment besides staying home and watching TV, which is not practical all the time (or fun, in my youth). The only thing I'd take back would be the trip to N.O. That place is a dump. For real.
Remember when the police were trained as peace officers? Yeah...just move along citizen. Nothing to see here. Don't touch my machine gun or you'll get tazed with my "non-lethal" tazer.
Xceler8x wrote: Remember when the police were trained as peace officers?
That's a "chicken vs. egg" issue. Did police activities change society or did society change police activities?
That's not a trick question but it does seem (imho) that law enforcement has always been playing catch-up to societal woes. 
When cops stopped wearing the blues and started wearing para military uniforms is when they gave up on peace officers.
I'd like to note (from what I understand) the officer was there because there was a threat (something to do with a knife). Beyond that, you can clearly (IMO) see in the video that the officer is motioning for the man to stop moving towards him (his right arm is out in front of him) and his left hand is on his gun.
What else do you do in that situation. Are you going to tackle someone suspected of having a knife on their person? F*&k no! It may be a bit excessive, but in the end necessary.
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