spitfirebill wrote: They also dabbled with methanol injection and possibly water injection.
The P47 had water injection didn't it?
spitfirebill wrote: They also dabbled with methanol injection and possibly water injection.
The P47 had water injection didn't it?
yamaha wrote:spitfirebill wrote: They also dabbled with methanol injection and possibly water injection.The P47 had water injection didn't it?
Yes, a water-methanol mix was used in many WWII aircraft engines. It allows higher manifold pressure. The methanol is combustible and serves as antifreeze for the water.
Later 109's did have the NOZ!!
More silly trivia: The P47 was turbocharged, and the turbo (and intercoolers) were in the tail! (right in front of the tail wheel) So the intake pretty much ran the length of the plane (good thing turbo lag is not an issue).
pilotbraden wrote:Strizzo wrote: In reply to Xceler8x: so does the pilot straddle the driveshaft?No, it has an engine in the front and an engine in the back.
ah, i see the exhaust now
If you watch a Jug cranking up, you see the smoke coming out of the rear mounted turbo. Kinda strange if you have watched Corsairs and Hellcats firing up.
Compared to a Jug, the 109 is tiny. An interview with Werner Rahl (spelling?) indicated the German pilots prefered fighting in the 109 instead of the later 190.
In reply to spitfirebill:
I just finished reading JG26, and they greatly preferred the FW190.
Strizzo wrote: In reply to Xceler8x: so does the pilot straddle the driveshaft?
Pilots of the Bell P39 Airacobra sat over the driveshaft.
SnowMongoose wrote:
Actually, that's a Spanish Bouchon. It was built after the war and engined with a Merlinv-12.
You want driveshafts? How about one under each armpit? This is the cockpit of the Bugatti Racer.
Since we're posting WWII planes might as put this here.
Javelin wrote: In reply to spitfirebill: I just finished reading JG26, and they greatly preferred the FW190.
I'm not familiar with that book. I'll try to find it.
To correct myself, it was Gunther Rall, third ranking German ace who made the statement.
kazoospec wrote: In other useless trivia, I think it also had one of the earliest ejection seats since, otherwise, bailing out could suck and all.
They actually had explosive charges to blow the propeller off. I remember reading about the one at the Smithsonian, and how they found during restoration that the charges were still armed / active 50+ years later.
Appleseed wrote: You want driveshafts? How about one under each armpit? This is the cockpit of the Bugatti Racer.
Did you know there is a group that is currently building a fully functional, flyable replica?
They are getting close to the end.
Somehow the thought of depending on Jaeger instruments while way up in the air does not exactly give me the warm fuzzies. I suppose I should be happy they aren't Smiths or Lucas.
spitfirebill wrote:Javelin wrote: In reply to spitfirebill: I just finished reading JG26, and they greatly preferred the FW190.I'm not familiar with that book. I'll try to find it. To correct myself, it was Gunther Rall, third ranking German ace who made the statement.
Galland definitely said he preferred the FW190 in the book.
The Messerschmitt 110
Me 209
It set the absolute (piston engined) world speed record of 469.22 mph on April 26, 1939. That record held for almost 30 years. It was broken on August 16, 1969 by American Darryl G. Greenamyer in a highly modified 3,100 hp F8F-2 Bearcat "Conquest 1", at an average speed of 483.041 mph.
Although called the 209 and sometimes refereed to as the 109R (to try and associate it with the Me109) it really had almost nothing in common with the 109. It even used a boil off cooling system.
aircooled wrote: Me 209
DAMN
Considering that this was built a few years beforehand, was built specifically for racing, and yet had a speed of about 170mph LESS, that is very impressive.
pilotbraden wrote:Messerschmitt Me-163, a wicked little rocket propelled interceptor.
A friend of my father's was a Jug pilot in WWII. He used to tell stories about trying to intercept 163s while flying cover during end-game bombing raids.
fanfoy wrote:Appleseed wrote: You want driveshafts? How about one under each armpit? This is the cockpit of the Bugatti Racer.Did you know there is a group that is currently building a fully functional, flyable replica?
OK, that thing's cool. Really cool; I never saw it before, which surprises me, because I know a lot of esoteric aircraft.
But why , instead of all those shaft-and-gear calisthenics, didn't they just make it a pusher?
Sat in the cockpit of a ME 109 once years ago. Extremely claustrophobic. Barely room to move and the canopy is in. your. face. Made quite the impression on me thinking about the danglies it took to fly one.
Also consider the fact that it's a tail dragger with a very narrow gear (makes ground looping much easier) which was normally landed on a grass strip. I am not sure if you can full stall them in on all three gears (or if that is advisable). If someone happens to talk to a 109 pilot, make sure to ask them.
aircooled wrote: Although called the 209 and sometimes refered to as the 109R (to try and associate it with the Me109) it really had almost nothing in common with the 109. It even used a boil off cooling system.
That was for propoganda purposes.
aircooled wrote: Also consider the fact that it's a tail dragger with a very narrow gear (makes ground looping much easier) which was normally landed on a grass strip. I am not sure if you can full stall them in on all three gears (or if that is advisable). If someone happens to talk to a 109 pilot, make sure to ask them.
I have been told that full stall works well with a 109. Also, the camber on the main gear does not improve the ground handling. A Supermarine Spitfire also has an equally narrow main gear, but it has about zero degrees of camber, making it comparatively easy to control on the ground.
spitfirebill wrote:Javelin wrote:They also dabbled with methanol injection and possibly water injection.aircooled wrote: Oh, sorry. Certainly not mine, just posted the picture. Did stand next to one once. A much smaller plane then you might think. Very sports car like.Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinnville, Oregon (the place with the Spruce Goose) has a real one, and it's truly awe-inspiring. There's is a G IIRC. It's very small. I also love that the Germans injected them with nitrous oxide!
Mustangs had water injection.
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