Radar is overrated, just eyeball it...

In PA, they have lines painted across the road and use a stop watch to time you from one line to the next, and determine your speed that way. I knew a guy who had done a ton of research about the reaction time on the stop watch and how much in would effect the equation, what the average margin of error is, etc., and prepared himself very well for his day in court. After going into detail about how flawed it was, the judge told him that if it was the same margin of error for the first click of the stop watch as the second click of the stop watch, then it would even out. I guess you don't have to understand basic physics to become a judge.

OK uses spotter planes. You don't even know you are being clocked until the Trooper shows up.

I know FL does smokey in the air also in some places... the lines are obvious... you just make sure to slow down when you pass the line till you get to the next...

seems more logical for them to have put the lines ever 10th of a mile or so... but seems they just put 2 lines in specific areas... so only that one spot is usable... i'm sure they could do the same with traffic cameras... wonder if "they" are doing that in some locations (not specific to FL)... seems like less of a chance for margin of error via stop watch...

that being said... all about the benjamins

interesting to note.. if a cop observes you doing something wrong.. it is admissable as fact to the courts. If he observes you doing something right.. it is hearsay

Johnboyjjb wrote: At least its an easy thing to verify. Take said officer and speed trap different cars at different speeds. If they (the cops) are consistently within 5 miles of actual speed I'd be impressed.

Make sure one of those passes is in second gear, too.

MitchellC wrote:

Johnboyjjb wrote: At least its an easy thing to verify. Take said officer and speed trap different cars at different speeds. If they (the cops) are consistently within 5 miles of actual speed I'd be impressed.

Make sure one of those passes is in second gear, too.

back in my younger days i delivered pizza in an mr2 with a cherry bomb... there where a few places (trailer parks mostly) that i'd drive past in 1st or 2nd after getting a complaint about someone "flying" though the area... didn't go fast... but sure made a lot of noise :)

good times...

mad_machine wrote: interesting to note.. if a cop observes you doing something wrong.. it is admissable as fact to the courts. If he observes you doing something right.. it is hearsay

That's not accurate. What he observed is never hearsay.

Give the speeder the right to a public defender and the right to sue for false accusation. That revenue stream will quickly dry up.

donalson wrote:

MitchellC wrote:

Johnboyjjb wrote: At least its an easy thing to verify. Take said officer and speed trap different cars at different speeds. If they (the cops) are consistently within 5 miles of actual speed I'd be impressed.

Make sure one of those passes is in second gear, too.

back in my younger days i delivered pizza in an mr2 with a cherry bomb... there where a few places (trailer parks mostly) that i'd drive past in 1st or 2nd after getting a complaint about someone "flying" though the area... didn't go fast... but sure made a lot of noise :) good times...

DONE THIS!!! Except for in my case it was a Geo Storm, with a header, and a leaky test pipe. Works great in the ghetto at 2am, all the little critters running around the streets seem to scramble with a first gear drive through at 3/4 throttle.

Spinout007 wrote:

donalson wrote:

MitchellC wrote:

Johnboyjjb wrote: At least its an easy thing to verify. Take said officer and speed trap different cars at different speeds. If they (the cops) are consistently within 5 miles of actual speed I'd be impressed.

Make sure one of those passes is in second gear, too.

back in my younger days i delivered pizza in an mr2 with a cherry bomb... there where a few places (trailer parks mostly) that i'd drive past in 1st or 2nd after getting a complaint about someone "flying" though the area... didn't go fast... but sure made a lot of noise :) good times...

DONE THIS!!! Except for in my case it was a Geo Storm, with a header, and a leaky test pipe. Works great in the ghetto at 2am, all the little critters running around the streets seem to scramble with a first gear drive through at 3/4 throttle.

lol now for the ghetto the fun one delivering pizza was the big spot light I ran... freaked them right out... also got some funny responses (although lesser extent to the hood) in trailer parks :)...

Any court I've been in has had to back up the officer's statement with scientifically observed evidence. I once had a judge through out a speeding ticket because the officer failed to back up his observation with actual factual evidence. How screwed up is Ohio?

having been a trucker.. Ohio is one giant speed trap... of course they are going to stack the deck in their favour... which is a shame.. I have never been in a state I wanted to get of as fast as possible before

vwcorvette wrote: How screwed up is Ohio?

Well, we should start a new thread on this... My money says it would quickly have more posts than the Ignore and Can We Please Stop Hotlinking Pix threads combined!!!

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Last year, I was driving my Porsche through a rural neighborhood. I rounded a corner and there were three women on horseback riding toward me in my lane. I moved completely into the opposite lane and gave them plenty of space. As I passed, one of them waved her arm frantically and yelled , "Slow Down"!

I looked down and I was doing 32 in a 35 zone. In fact, I was moving at such a controlled pace that I could clearly see that one of the other women was on her cell phone.

Now, I'm sure that none of these women were trained police officers, but I think that her perception of speed had more to do with the fact that she saw a Porsche coming around the corner than anything else.

this is true. Not sure how loud your porsche is.. but the louder the car, the faster people think it is going.

Story on Slashdot:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/03/2133222/Guess-My-Speed-and-Give-Me-a-Ticket-In-Ohio?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29

Long time ago in traffic court, the judge asked the cop how fast the car was going (not for my ticket). The cop said he didn't really know. So the judge asked how the cop knew they were speeding and the cop said 'well it just looked like they were going fast'. The judge said 'Son, a Ferrari looks like it's going 150 when it's sitting still. Don't EVER bring me a crap ticket like this ever again.'

It's not like this new ruling changes anything. They never had to show you proof of a radar or laser readout, so they were making it up all along anyways. My last ticket (3+ years ago somehow) I was magically clocked doing 74 in a 60 on I90 through Cleveland (in rush hour no less) by the state highway's chief prick. I would have been splattered all over someone's bumper doing 74 in gridlock; damn wankers.

It makes great sense financially though. Just think of all the federales without radar that can now help rain on everyone's parade.

when i was a kid, my dad had a porsche 924 for a while. he was driving on the freeway in dallas when a guy speeds by him, and then a cop pulls him and the other guy over, and wants to write them both a ticket for racing. thing is, i was in a carseat in the car at the time, the cop had just assumed they were racing because my dad was driving a porsche. it wasn't until the other driver said they weren't racing, he was just driving fast, that the officer let him go.

guilt by association?

i've wondered how a wrc anti-lag system would cause people to react in the ghetto?