Zomby Woof wrote:
In reply to novaderrik:
Tell me more about your "feelings"
In reply to drsmooth:
I hope you feel shame every time you hear about e health, Ornge, or the gas plants on the news.
Minority governments are a waste of time, and dictatorship in Canada? Very funny.
I feel no shame when I hear about e health, Ornge, or the gas plants on the news. I do feel disgust though when I hear about them.
I didn't vote for Mcsquinty. Nor his local representative. Ironically enough Hudack, if elected last time promised to cancel the gas plant.
Minority governments aren't a waste of time. What is a waste of time is politicians trying to convince us, that minority governments are a waste of time.
If they would actually do their job and work together they would be able to get plenty done. Instead of acting like children...
No one party has all the best ideas for the entire jurisdiction. Any polititian that tries to tell me otherwise is a complete liar, and even worse. Is insulting my intelligence.
In reply to rotard:
I didn't say they insulted my spelling!!!
novaderrik wrote:
Appleseed wrote:
I remember eating pasta 5 days a week, two meals a day due to "trickle down economics."
and how did you get to a point where you didn't have to eat like that any more?
The cold war ended so Reagan's massive increases in the defense budget was no longer relevant. Instead we spent money on schools and junk. Unfortunately Reagan's baby SDI didn't die until 1993.
And the fact that he held on so tightly to SDI disgusts me. Gorbachev and Regan met in Reykjavik to discuss nuclear disarmament. Total disarmament. Gorbachev gave up massive concessions. SRBMs, ballistic missile subs, strategic bombers, etc...
All he asked Reagan for was SDI (star wars.) It apparently scared the Soviets as they viewed it as an accompaniment to a first strike option.
Reagan wouldn't give it up. He viewed SDI as his legacy.
We still have nuclear weapons. We came so close.
Appleseed wrote:
novaderrik wrote:
Appleseed wrote:
I remember eating pasta 5 days a week, two meals a day due to "trickle down economics."
and how did you get to a point where you didn't have to eat like that any more?
The cold war ended so Reagan's massive increases in the defense budget was no longer relevant. Instead we spent money on schools and junk. Unfortunately Reagan's baby SDI didn't die until 1993.
yeah, the educational system is so much better now than it was in the 80's now that we are throwing exponentially increasing amounts of money at it...
is it possible that you just "outgrew" the poor phase of your life? i was dirt poor during the Clinton presidency, but i kind of just figured that was because i was in my 20's and trying to figure out this whole "being an adult" thing, with all the "bills" and "work" and stuff that i had to do.. turns out i was living in a 30 year old trailer house in the middle of MN and working unskilled $5 an hour factory jobs because of someone that lived in a mansion at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC.. DARN YOU WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON!!! DARN YOU STRAIGHT TO HECK FOR NOT GIVING ME A $50K A YEAR JOB RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL!!!
Sorry... just taking a walk down memory lane...
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Except Iron Sheik he still entertains us!!!
novaderrik wrote:
Appleseed wrote:
novaderrik wrote:
Appleseed wrote:
I remember eating pasta 5 days a week, two meals a day due to "trickle down economics."
and how did you get to a point where you didn't have to eat like that any more?
The cold war ended so Reagan's massive increases in the defense budget was no longer relevant. Instead we spent money on schools and junk. Unfortunately Reagan's baby SDI didn't die until 1993.
yeah, the educational system is so much better now than it was in the 80's now that we are throwing exponentially increasing amounts of money at it...
is it possible that you just "outgrew" the poor phase of your life? i was dirt poor during the Clinton presidency, but i kind of just figured that was because i was in my 20's and trying to figure out this whole "being an adult" thing, with all the "bills" and "work" and stuff that i had to do.. turns out i was living in a 30 year old trailer house in the middle of MN and working unskilled $5 an hour factory jobs because of someone that lived in a mansion at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC.. DARN YOU WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON!!! DARN YOU STRAIGHT TO HECK FOR NOT GIVING ME A $50K A YEAR JOB RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL!!!
Riiiight, because a president doesn't have any influance on the economy.
Schools and junk. You forgot the junk. Um...I was 5 when we were eating noodles. What kind of job should I have been looking for? We didn't have much money until around 88-89, you know, the end of the Cold War?
i ate more than my fair share of generic mac and cheese- white box, black letters- and drank a lot of powdered milk when i was a kid because we didn't have any money.
but that's not the fault of the guys in DC, and i haven't let myself get to that point since i've been able to control my own fate.
and since you are presumably no longer 5, i'd say that you grew out of the poorest phase of your life if you are no longer surviving on noodles..
yeah, politicians can influence the overall economy- but they have no control over the many individuals that make up that economy. some people don't sit around and blame the evil government or the evil rich people for their problems and expect them to make their life easier for them- they figure out how to get by and even improve their lot in life regardless of the circumstances that they are in.
Jeff
SuperDork
8/9/13 8:02 a.m.
So apparently talking Canadian politics is OK here? 
"Why do you think they call him Ronnie Ray-gun?"
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
http://www.heavy.com/comedy/comedy-videos/funny-videos/2010/11/american-dad-oliver-north-song/
Back in a former life I was a bartender. While I was in Denver I worked at a nice restaurant, and one of my regulars was a former member of the Secret Service. He had served under Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton, and he had a brief stint where he was assigned to Jessie Jackson when he ran for pres.
He said Reagan was by far the nicest of the people he served under. Reagan made it a point to remember kids names, wife's names, and would always ask how they were doing. He said Reagan was a genuinely decent guy. He did not say positive things about Bush Sr. or Clinton.........and Jackson (predictably enough) he said, was a total scumbag.
It seems all presidents have made bad decisions though----
Iran Contra
James Watt as sec. of the interior (fox in the henhouse)
I did enjoy him in the "Land of Confusion" video.
Joe Gearin wrote:
He said Reagan was by far the nicest of the people he served under. Reagan made it a point to remember kids names, wife's names, and would always ask how they were doing. He said Reagan was a genuinely decent guy. He did not say positive things about Bush Sr. or Clinton.........and Jackson (predictably enough) he said, was a total scumbag.
Why does this surprise me none at all?
My grandfather started up the ongoing semi-official congressional pick-up basketball game. The usual was Rep's vs. Dem's, and my dad would fill in if either team was a guy short. Apparently they used to play with Al Gore regularly, and he was a total by-the-book boyscout. It apparently took Clinton to turn him into the douche that he is now.
I didn't really appreciate Reagan until later on, as mentioned he was very good at consensus building for the good of the country. His folksy self deprecating sense of humor helped a lot with that.
Where he did not compromise was with the external enemies. Two examples: the Iranians who held the embassy hostages were not in the least afraid of Carter. Ronnie Raygun, OTOH... when asked during his campaign if he would consider military action (invasion) to end the crisis, he was pretty blunt about the possibility. That probably strongly influenced the Iranians, who were in yet another war with Iraq at the time. The last thing they needed was the Iraquis fighting on one side and then getting a E36 M3pot of US Marines and etc on the other side. Their release of the hostages 20 minutes after Reagan's inaguration was a final slap in Carter's face, particularly after Carter had unfrozen Iranian assets.
Star Wars (SDI) may have been an expensive boondoggle, but in the end it helped bring about the opening of the Iron Curtain most remembered for the famous 'Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!' speech. So maybe this bumbling old ex actor had a truly positive effect on the world.
Joe Gearin wrote:
Back in a former life I was a bartender. While I was in Denver I worked at a nice restaurant, and one of my regulars was a former member of the Secret Service. He had served under Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton, and he had a brief stint where he was assigned to Jessie Jackson when he ran for pres.
He said Reagan was by far the nicest of the people he served under. Reagan made it a point to remember kids names, wife's names, and would always ask how they were doing. He said Reagan was a genuinely decent guy. He did not say positive things about Bush Sr. or Clinton.........and Jackson (predictably enough) he said, was a total scumbag.
It seems all presidents have made bad decisions though----
Iran Contra
James Watt as sec. of the interior (fox in the henhouse)
That's pretty much exactly what I'd expect.
As much as I'd like to go all "Actor vs. Son of irresponsible at best white mother who shacked up with muslim polygamist legless alcoholic oil man daddy and dumped the kid off with the white grandparents who gave him a killer education in the cultural bubble known as hawaii; Grandparents who he subsequently threw under the bus after leaders of a terrorist organization helped him throw a congressional election."
I won't. Because as much as I'd like to see him die in a fire, he seems like he wouldn't be as much of a cocksucker in person as Bush I.
Yeah, Jesse Jackson comes across as a real jerk.
Carter seemed a decent sort while in office (if maybe in more than a little over his head) but now that he's out he's a sanctimonious self righteous a$$hole.
Clinton is snaky, I wouldn't trust him with anything. Everything he's done after leaving office appears to have been done with the express intent of keeping him in the public eye. The money didn't hurt either. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/03/politics/clinton-speaking-fees
Bush 1 seemed in over his head too and also didn't seem like he really wanted the job.
Bush 2 landed in a huge E36 M3storm and did the best he could, what I like best about him is how he just dropped pretty much out of sight after the last elections but started quietly using his influence to improve things around the planet. One example: http://www.voanews.com/content/george-bush-africa-cervical-cancer/1363615.html He does speaking engagements too but is much lower profile than Clinton, also is pickier about with who/where he appears. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/george-w-bush-rakes-15-million-speaking-fees-leaving-office-report-article-1.143215
I will reserve judgment of Obama's presidency until after he's done then I'll engage the ol' 20/20 hindsight. I will say that so far Obamacare is a big disappointment, if you are gonna have a damn socialist program then go all the way, the hell with half measures. But he gets high marks for Osama bin Laden's capture and killing, along with realizing that maybe, just maybe, Dubya wasn't lying about how the War on Terror was going to go.
