fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/20/13 3:18 p.m.

We have 4 Sullair industrial oil flooded rotary screw compressors in our plant, 250hp, prolly 800-1000 SCFM each, radiator oil coolers, synthetic oil, close to twenty years in service. I've been told they are about 10 years over life expectancy (plant legend?).

Yearly maintenance is oil change (about 55 gallons ea.), air inlet and oil separator filters, main and secondary oil filters, radiator cleaning. Mostly trouble-free, maybe a mid year primary or secondary oil filter change per pressure differential only. Last maintenance service was Jan./ Feb.

Each compressor has had at least one secondary oil filter develop a pin hole in the bottom of the bowl. Two have had two filters replaced w/ pinholes since Jan./ Feb. service. Filters are steel shell spin-on type similar to automotive oil filters and about the size of an old HD truck oil filter. No primary filters have been replaced yet.

I cut one old pinhole leaking filter open and found rust looking particles laying in the bottom of the bowl. Wiped out the bowl and there was small pitting w/ corrosion in the pits. The next filter I cut open had the same rust looking particles w/ some rust looking flakes. After wiping out the bowl there were about 10 pits 3/32"- 1/8" size but no corrosion in the pits... it was like clean metal. My first thought was acid. Latest filter cut open had the same small pits w/ corrosion as the first one, did find a couple beads of moisture in the bowl.

I'm still sticking w/ the acid theory. Boss said maybe a bad batch of filters. Also, the particles/ sludge could trap moisture below the oil and corrode. I finally convinced the boss to get oil analysis done, still waiting on results.

What I find extremely odd is all four units having the same problem starting at the same time, I could see maybe one developing this problem, all four is too much. I was off on sick leave during the last compressor service but have to assume all service was done as usual. AFAIK nothing else has changed, same inlet air intake, all running normal temps and pressure differentials, no mechanical problems.

One compressor engineering site says not removing all the oil per oil change may lead to high acid content (LAN). Leaving an estimated 5-10% used oil in the system oil change after oil change, year after year will progressively shorten the planned yearly oil life to months... this makes the most sense to me. If the filters are corroding this bad WTF is happening to the gears, screws and bearings...

What ye say GRM braintrust, what am I missing here? I'm baffled. We need to keep these units running, I'm thinkin' this company ain't gonna drop off the old bag-o-money for new compressors.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
7/20/13 3:29 p.m.

Might be a simple as the last batch of filters were cheap or the manufacturer changed the steel they were using for the shell.

Wait till the oil sample comes back.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
7/20/13 4:14 p.m.

Are you using the regular oil or the synth?

Yearly seems a bit short for a change on the real good synth stuff, Isn't it good for 24,000 hours?

Edit: just saw you were using the synth

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/20/13 4:19 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

They've been using synthetic for years, long before I started working there. Yearly oil change is per plants maintenance schedule.

Toyman: Filters are Sullair, same filters they've always used, not to say it couldn't be a bad batch but I somehow doubt it.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
7/20/13 4:27 p.m.

I'll bet you there is a better oil out there.

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/20/13 4:35 p.m.

In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:

Can't remember the trade name right now. Knowing my boss he bought the cheapest he could find, he says $2400/ 55 gal. drum fwiw. My old plant used primo stuff, most compressors were big 'ol recips (3400 SCFM), only a few smaller Joy and IR screws, never ran into a problem like this. We did oil analysis on a regular basis on all equipment, this place never has.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
7/20/13 4:37 p.m.

http://www.westcoastsynthetic.com/documents/whitepaper7.pdf

Maybe amsoil?

We used 24kt in our sullairs.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic SuperDork
7/20/13 4:44 p.m.

Defective oil? Wrong oil, possibly in right drum? Its happened before. If the analysis comes back funny, I'd be looking at the oil company. Do you still have the drum it came in?

These are just compressing air, right? Any chance whatever its pumping has been contaminated with something corrosive?

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/20/13 5:09 p.m.

I'll get our synthetic oil trade name Monday. It's the same oil they've been using for years, the name doesn't ring a bell like being top shelf tho, but I dunno.

The oil transfer pump used for evac and refill is a Barnes gear pump IIRC and used only for compressor oil changes so no chance of cross contamination.

Sput
Sput Reader
7/20/13 5:10 p.m.

Royal Purple?

Sput
Sput Reader
7/20/13 5:12 p.m.

If you are having problems with water getting into the oil through the oil seals, I have a product that might help by replacing the oil seals - Orion bearing protection devices.

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/20/13 5:31 p.m.

In reply to Sput:

No liquid cooling, intercoolers or aftercoolers on these compressors. Oil cooling is done w/ oil to air heat exchangers (radiators as the plant calls 'em). Only moisture source would be in intake air.

turbojunker
turbojunker HalfDork
7/20/13 8:21 p.m.

What do the oil temps run? The rotary gas compressors I work on get unhappy if the oil temp isn't high enough. But we fight other contaminants too since we're not compressing air.

akamcfly
akamcfly HalfDork
7/20/13 8:40 p.m.

I'd wait on the oil report before jumping to any conclusions.

If all 4 went weird at the same time, maybe it's something environmental?

fasted58
fasted58 PowerDork
7/23/13 11:25 a.m.

Asked boss today about analysis results, they came back last week and all are reportedly fine. Nobody seems even remotely concerned at this time so I should just go back to shutting the berkeley up, not giving a flying berkeley about anything and doing what I'm told... pretty much put your brain in park and only be there for the money. The gang thinks I over-react. Something is still definitely berkeleying wrong there but nobody gives a berkeley.

This runs against all my mechanical moral principals, I wasn't taught this way... but it's their sandbox.

tuna55
tuna55 PowerDork
7/23/13 11:33 a.m.
fasted58 wrote: Nobody seems even remotely concerned at this time so I should just go back to shutting the berkeley up, not giving a flying berkeley about anything and doing what I'm told... pretty much put your brain in park and only be there for the money. The gang thinks I over-react. Something is still definitely berkeleying wrong there but nobody gives a berkeley. This runs against all my mechanical moral principals, I wasn't taught this way... but it's their sandbox.

I lived this life for a while, but not in maintenance. It sucks. Good luck.

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