Same Sex Marriage Before the SCOTUS

mad_machine wrote:

Beer Baron wrote:

Lesley wrote: BTW, my best gay boyfriend took me to the bakery where I got the pie. He got butter tarts.

That does sound pretty gay.

well.. butter tarts sounds better than what I thought I read at first.. Butter Farts

Put "Butter Farts" in Google Nose.

I don't know about Miata seats, but I was told by a TTAC writer that Jaguar seats have the best fart reverb in the business.

Swank Force One wrote:

mad_machine wrote:

Beer Baron wrote:

Lesley wrote: BTW, my best gay boyfriend took me to the bakery where I got the pie. He got butter tarts.

That does sound pretty gay.

well.. butter tarts sounds better than what I thought I read at first.. Butter Farts

Put "Butter Farts" in Google Nose.

Ew. Fart butter. I once made the mistake of googling "Alaska Pipeline". Urban Dictionary contains many unfathomable things that I'm really better off not knowing.

Lesley wrote: Ew. Fart butter. I once made the mistake of googling "Alaska Pipeline". Urban Dictionary contains many unfathomable things that I'm really better off not knowing.

Goes off to see.................what the berk?

Imagine. I was sitting in a trucker's bar in Coldfoot Alaska, nestled up to the bar with my laptop trying to finish my story... thought I'd add a little "background colour" with some info on the pipeline. Jesus, slammed the laptop shut. I was afraid one of those big frontier brontosaurus would read over my shoulder.

Lesley, to answer your question, I actually love coconut in most things. Just not pie.

And just urban dictionaried Alaskan pipeline, cause you can't not do it now that someone told me not to. Ew.

aircooled wrote: Hold it together there ron, you are starting to drift a bit...

ronholm wrote: ....Ok... I really truly enjoy these types of questions... Lets give you some fodder and say my feelings on gay marriage stem from religious tenants... But I would caution you on calling me out to quickly for that because my personal religious tenants are the product of beliefs developed through personal experience.

OK. Obviously that does not surprise me. I wouldn't call you out on religious beliefs, unless you try to justify legislation purely based on religious beliefs. I would guess that the arguments you state are really more support for what you believe rather then trying to obscure a purely religious belief. Like I said, just curious. The interesting thing about some of what you say is that most of it can be scientifically tested to some extent. There of course is the possibility that you're suspicions will not be confirmed, as there is mine of course.

Ok... So while these guys discuss the longer term effects of sodomy, lets try this...

My personal belief system challenges religious dogma, and I feel strongly this strength's me spiritually.. Yet I remain human and adhere to the dogma's of my culture...

Everyone in this thread is very guilty of this...

Now... This "science" you speak of...

It depends on what you are talking about if I think it really should even be scientifically tested and measured...

Ya see... If gays and polygamists are 'scientifically' proven to be terrible parents and their children suffer from a number of whatever issues... Still... if we decide they have a 'right' it doesn't matter... and I damn sure don't think anyone should be running around wasting my tax dollars trying to figure it out...

Lets play a hypothetical... Some kind of science quantifies that either hetro or homo parents make better parents...

Do you desire to have foster and adoptive home selections based on this 'science'?

Here... More random useless information for you... Just your tax dollars at work...

(google your own source if you must, please. )

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spend-15-million-study-why-lesbians-are-fat

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/27m-federal-study-why-do-lesbians-have-higher-risk-hazardous-drinking

Now... What the hell does the government plan to do with this information?

"My personal belief system challenges religious dogma, and I feel strongly this strength's me spiritually.."

I had an email very much like this the other day.

Thank you Lesley. Somehow I will work Alaska pipeline into a conversation in the next week

ronholm wrote: Lets play a hypothetical... Some kind of science quantifies that either hetro or homo parents make better parents...

I suspect the "amount" that either would be better or worse would be wildly dwarfed by current range of parenting / child rearing quality. There are some pretty f-d up people out there having children. All of those are of course hetro, some of whom's kids are being raised by non hetero parents.

Lets be realistic here. The government does not set much of a standard for who can be a parent or will be supported as a parent currently.

A rather sad example I heard recently:

Charles "Tex" Watson, currently serving a life sentence for the Tate/LaBianca murders (you know, the one where they killed the pregnant woman and decorated the walls with her blood) under the orders of Charles Manson. HE is married, and has FOUR children. The combination of that collection of genes and genes of someone who would not only marry him, but have children with him is beyond scary.

Your referenced federal studies may be a bit over hyped in that article: http://news.yahoo.com/debunking-myths-nihs-1-5-million-lesbians-fat-182040948.html

aircooled wrote: Your referenced federal studies may be a bit over hyped in that article: http://news.yahoo.com/debunking-myths-nihs-1-5-million-lesbians-fat-182040948.html

Far as I am concerned... even if the whole thing is hype in regards to the lesbian aspect... Or whatever. The only thing which changes for me is relevance to this thread... Which it really wasn't all the relevant anyway... All the things we don't have money for and we spend money on this... You need a study to tell you Murican's are fat... and some are fatter than others... Good grief...

Lets be realistic here. The government does not set much of a standard for who can be a parent or will be supported as a parent currently.

Just give them time... They are working on it..

Have you ever tried to adopt.. or work/run a foster home?

ronholm wrote: My personal belief system challenges religious dogma, and I feel strongly this strength's me spiritually.. Yet I remain human and adhere to the dogma's of my culture... Everyone in this thread is very guilty of this...

Seeing as how I am an Everyone in this thread and you are accusing me of some statement you've made that is not very direct and confusing as hell can you please clarify WTH you mean?

Your first sentence seems to say something positive? about everyone. The second sentence seems like your possibly implying somehow the first statement would in fact make you superhuman however you're not. The tone of the last statement is very condescending however evaluating the first thought-stream I am not sure.

Your arguments throughout this thread strike me as a form of moving the crux of the discussion from a place it should be into a place that you have lots of experience with making your argument appear stronger than it is. That isn't to say that the points you are making are not good ones that deserve discussion on their own merit however they are not as applicable to the discussion at hand. You take the conversation into an area where you have either superior knowledge or experience debating relative to the people you are discussing with making their position appear less strong due to their inability to find fundamental flaws in your positions logic due to your experience defending that position. I suppose it is a form of the "straw man" technique.

I'm sorry if this offends you. I am not making any kind of statement about your beliefs, saying your a biggot, making a judgement about your character, or discrediting your views. As I said some of the items you bring up deserve discussion on their own. I'm not sure what place a discussion on the history of sodomy in the United States has in a conversation about extending the ability to get married to opposite sex couples and giving the opposite sex couples who have a exisiting marriage contract issued by one of 9 states in the country they have citizenship in the right to reside in any state and have that contract honored but I did find it somewhat interesting. Other than the fact that one of the forms that Opposite sex couples effected by the definition of the word sodomy engage in it assuming they have sexual contact with each other I'm not sure it's applicable. If your anti sodomy or concerned about the health risks keeping gay marriage from happening isn't really the place I would be focusing my efforts.

Here... More random useless information for you... Just your tax dollars at work... (google your own source if you must, please. ) http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spend-15-million-study-why-lesbians-are-fat http://cnsnews.com/news/article/27m-federal-study-why-do-lesbians-have-higher-risk-hazardous-drinking Now... What the hell does the government plan to do with this information?

Duh. Start a secret government program to make more Portia derossi's and less Rosie o'donnells. See everyone approves

ronholm wrote: So you didn't think I was a bigot (I poke fun at myself here) but you did know the numbers.. and you posted them here knowing they would ... Well... I don't want to read anymore of your mind..

I thought my position was already pretty clear

JoeyM wrote: Maybe the best answer is to make sure that we continue to test ALL blood, but to enhance the safety by using the VERY best possible tests that detect the virus directly instead of tests that wait for people to develop antibodies. http://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/aids/facts/questions/testing.htm

but if not, I'll restate it. We need to do better testing of our blood.

The CDC has some pretty sobering statistics that show very real differences among infection rates in different groups. This entire conversation has been focused on sexual orientation, but that is a red herring/flounder as far as public health/blood donation is concerned; we could just as easily be talking about the HUGE racial disparities described in those statistics....a topic that is tiptoed around because it is even more controversial.

Whether we change blood donation policies regarding homosexuals or not, we need to do better testing of our blood.

I'm done with this thread and going back to lurking.

mtn wrote: Lesley, to answer your question, I actually love coconut in most things. Just not pie.

Pointing finger – Gay!!!

mad_machine wrote:

Beer Baron wrote:

Lesley wrote: BTW, my best gay boyfriend took me to the bakery where I got the pie. He got butter tarts.

That does sound pretty gay.

well.. butter tarts sounds better than what I thought I read at first.. Butter Farts

My mind changed that to Butt Darts.

I made the mistake of looking up butter farts... I will never look at peanut butter again after one video..

as for Alaskan Pipeline..... THAT'S DISGUSTING!

Why on earth would you watch the video????

Lesley wrote: Why on earth would you watch the video????

I think it's a guy thing, Lesley. You're cool and all, but we really are THAT dumb.

(No, I didn't watch the video, but I do now know about an Alaskan Pipeline with great regret, thank you very much).

Lesley wrote: Why on earth would you watch the video????

I didn't watch the video.. I got as far as urban dictionary for alaskan pipeline and felt green

Now the peanut butter thing.. it started off with promise

I think I know more than enough about peanut butter without seeing a video on how it's made.

Then again, posting one might be effective troll repellent.

nono Lesley.. this was more of an end user video...

Ummm... think I'll avoid the butter fart end user vid, thankyaverramuch. I heard about 'Alaska Pipeline' a while back and ewww.