Seriously New York?!?

In reply to Anti-stance:

The off topic part was my question.

I was just wondering if you knew what that bug was called. When I first saw them I thought they were humming birds because they are about the same size and have similar flight characteristics.

Oh. Haha.

Not too sure what it is, I googled flying shrimp.

ok.. I am lost.. why the shrimp references all the sudden?

In reply to mad_machine:

Something Margie said the last time a thread got mucked up and locked.

I would also like to know what the flying shrimp thing is out of sheer curiosity.

In reply to Grizz:

I learned something new today.

It's a Hummingbird Moth or Hummingbird Clearwing. Also known to be called the Flying Shrimp.

Apparently fairly common in the eastern half of North America. I had never seen one before last summer.

Edit to add link.

Hummingbird Moth

mguar wrote: In reply to oldsaw: If we were 300 million individual's you would have a point Oldsaw.. We aren't, we're bound together in countless ways.. Let's check on definitions if I may.. Do gay's have the same right to ruin their lives by getting married as straights? Do minority religions have as much right as majority religions? AWWW Heck, I can say it clearer than that.. Do minorities have rights? If you disagree with someone does that person have rights as good as yours? Are there times where liberties need to be given up for the good of society? Simple example.. does a drug dealer have the right to conduct business on school grounds?

Let me say up front that if mguar's a troll, he's the most polite one I have ever seen.

Now, to answer your question: a few years ago there was a great hue and cry in the motorcycle world because a city somewhere or other (I want to say it was Cincinnati, but I'm probably wrong) had a situation where their motorcycle cops were covered by the city's health insurance while they were riding their state issued cop bikes, BUT: if they chose to ride their own bikes after work hours thery were NOT covered. Even though those same employees paid a part of the cost of their health insurance. After much hullabaloo and litigation, the insurance company backed down.

Here's the point: once we exclude or ostracize whatever group, then where are we? Eat too much and sit on the couch all day watching HSN? No coverage for you. Exercise regularly but race dirt bikes? No coverage for you. Do you REALLY want to live in a world dictated by the insurance companies who care ONLY about their bottom line? Or by a Nanny State intent on protecting us from ourselves, no matter how intrusive?

It's a very slippery slope; in many ways the porker planted on the couch gobbling Nacho Cheese Doritos and sucking down 2 liter Cokes is putting himself at risk exactly as you are when autocrossing or doing a TT or (insert your favorite risky activity here), making us brothers under the (pasty pimply) skin. (shiver.)

While I'm thinking about it: it's a fact that unprotected male gay sex is MUCH more likely to transmit AIDS than hetero sex. Should the insurance companies and the governments ostracize them for engaging in a known high risk behavior? Hmm... you can ride bareback with some guy you just met and be covered, but you can't order a ginormous Coke? Maybe it's just me... naw. It's not.

Once the regulatory camel's nose is under the tent, all bets are off. And this is the nose.

Is that beautiful thing p-shopped, or real? Never seen anything like that before, it really does look like a shrimp had its way with a hummingbird.

Well, I dragged my lazy, narcissistic beeyotch ass to about 5 hard-core gym classes this week, where my 50-year old butt kicked 20-year olds to the curb. Also managed to ride my horse twice, whose upkeep I subsidize by doing artwork. But, being a lazy beeyotch, I haven't accumulated enough income to simply write checks and magically fix my dilapidated 98-year-old-house, so I do what I can with that while simultaneously flying several thousand miles a month, driving a dozen cars and trying to churn out as much verbiage as possible without it sounding too much like nonsense. So... I really don't have time to drink pop. Um, er, soda.

mguar wrote: In reply to oldsaw: If we were 300 million individual's you would have a point Oldsaw.. We aren't, we're bound together in countless ways.. Let's check on definitions if I may.. Do gay's have the same right to ruin their lives by getting married as straights? Do minority religions have as much right as majority religions? AWWW Heck, I can say it clearer than that.. Do minorities have rights? If you disagree with someone does that person have rights as good as yours? Are there times where liberties need to be given up for the good of society? Simple example.. does a drug dealer have the right to conduct business on school grounds?

Fun question.

Do YOU have the right to sling coke at the kiddies' playground?

Yep, they're real! Snowberry Clearwing Hummingbird Moth.

http://www.cirrusimage.com/moths_snowberry_clearwing.htm

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

As long as I have the right to "re-educate" him with a ball bat.

mguar wrote: Simple example.. does a drug dealer have the right to conduct business on school grounds?

A drug dealer has no right to conduct business ANYWHERE, you know, since drugs are against the law.

z31maniac wrote:

mguar wrote: Simple example.. does a drug dealer have the right to conduct business on school grounds?

A drug dealer has no right to conduct business ANYWHERE, you know, since drugs are against the law.

Well, he could do legal business anywhere our forum troll has the right to.

However, he doesn't have the right to sling coke anywhere, neither does our local forum troll.

ThePhranc wrote:

Salanis wrote: How the hell do people drink that much soda, anyway? I mostly stopped drinking the stuff years ago. Now, it just makes me feel gross to drink too much of it. Bought a half-liter bottle of coke this afternoon (because of the metric system) to get a kick of caffeine to get through a long exam. I only drank half of it. I can't imagine drinking 64ounces of the stuff.

I stop a while ago too. Then Pepsi started selling the pure sugar no HFCS and now I drink 3 12oz a week. I feel much better after one than I ever did after the old stuff.

But those commercials told me the science said cane sugar and corn syrup work just the same for our bodies! (Which I call B.S. on, since they don't work the same for yeast.)

I might have to look for the pure sugar Pepsi when I get back. Here in Germany, I like Fritz Cola. Made by a company started by a couple guys in Hamburg. Tastes way better than Coke/Pepsi, and is made with cane sugar. A bit more expensive since a .33l (~12oz) from the cafe on campus costs me as much as a .5l (~20oz.) bottle of Coke from the vending machine. But that's great since I don't really want to drink any more than that.

Back home in the states, it's all about Virgil's Rootbeer or Boylan Pure Cane Cola.

Salanis wrote:

ThePhranc wrote:

Salanis wrote: How the hell do people drink that much soda, anyway? I mostly stopped drinking the stuff years ago. Now, it just makes me feel gross to drink too much of it. Bought a half-liter bottle of coke this afternoon (because of the metric system) to get a kick of caffeine to get through a long exam. I only drank half of it. I can't imagine drinking 64ounces of the stuff.

I stop a while ago too. Then Pepsi started selling the pure sugar no HFCS and now I drink 3 12oz a week. I feel much better after one than I ever did after the old stuff.

But those commercials told me the science said cane sugar and corn syrup work just the same for our bodies! (Which I call B.S. on, since they don't work the same for yeast.) I might have to look for the pure sugar Pepsi when I get back. Here in Germany, I like Fritz Cola. Made by a company started by a couple guys in Hamburg. Tastes way better than Coke/Pepsi, and is made with cane sugar. A bit more expensive since a .33l (~12oz) from the cafe on campus costs me as much as a .5l (~20oz.) bottle of Coke from the vending machine. But that's great since I don't really want to drink any more than that. Back home in the states, it's all about Virgil's Rootbeer or Boylan Pure Cane Cola.

I like the pepsi "throw back" with the real sugar. I have one a day with dinner.. and even that is slowly slipping to one every other day as water takes over my life.

Hmmm... This-

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Or maybe-

mguar wrote: In reply to z31maniac: However according to a libertarian's definition people have a right to freedom to do anything as long as it doesn't interfere with another persons rights.. So a drug dealer is free to sell drugs as long as there are willing buyers.. I used this extreme (and stupid) example to point out the need for society to have laws and rules according to the majorities desires.. Laws and rules are only hated by those who violate those laws and rules..

Drugs should be legal, yes. I won't argue that.

But you seem to think, even though it has been explained otherwise, that Libertarians think there should be no gov't interference on anything. Some type of anarchy, which is completely not the case.

Anyway, enjoy your flounder, I'm out!

and here I have tried to keep this topic on it's original topic.... sorry, I am out too

z31maniac wrote:

mguar wrote: In reply to z31maniac: However according to a libertarian's definition people have a right to freedom to do anything as long as it doesn't interfere with another persons rights.. So a drug dealer is free to sell drugs as long as there are willing buyers.. I used this extreme (and stupid) example to point out the need for society to have laws and rules according to the majorities desires.. Laws and rules are only hated by those who violate those laws and rules..

Drugs should be legal, yes. I won't argue that. But you seem to think, even though it has been explained otherwise, that Libertarians think there should be no gov't interference on anything. Some type of anarchy, which is completely not the case. Anyway, enjoy your flounder, I'm out!

Yep, he seems to think that libertarian views are much the same as anarchy and zero government is the libertarian mantra. :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TZ_9-rbslo

Salanis wrote:

ThePhranc wrote:

Salanis wrote: How the hell do people drink that much soda, anyway? I mostly stopped drinking the stuff years ago. Now, it just makes me feel gross to drink too much of it. Bought a half-liter bottle of coke this afternoon (because of the metric system) to get a kick of caffeine to get through a long exam. I only drank half of it. I can't imagine drinking 64ounces of the stuff.

I stop a while ago too. Then Pepsi started selling the pure sugar no HFCS and now I drink 3 12oz a week. I feel much better after one than I ever did after the old stuff.

But those commercials told me the science said cane sugar and corn syrup work just the same for our bodies! (Which I call B.S. on, since they don't work the same for yeast.) I might have to look for the pure sugar Pepsi when I get back. Here in Germany, I like Fritz Cola. Made by a company started by a couple guys in Hamburg. Tastes way better than Coke/Pepsi, and is made with cane sugar. A bit more expensive since a .33l (~12oz) from the cafe on campus costs me as much as a .5l (~20oz.) bottle of Coke from the vending machine. But that's great since I don't really want to drink any more than that. Back home in the states, it's all about Virgil's Rootbeer or Boylan Pure Cane Cola.

The ultimate problem is no matter the source of the sugar in the drink, it's all junk calories. While I can't find the source right now, closest reference, nearly 30% of calories consumed by Americans are from sugary beverages. With almost 70% of Americans overweight or obese, you don't have to be a genius to see the connection.

<Avid non-consumer of sugary beverages.

How was the other thread locked, and this one keeps going???

Osterkraut wrote:

Salanis wrote:

ThePhranc wrote:

Salanis wrote: How the hell do people drink that much soda, anyway? I mostly stopped drinking the stuff years ago. Now, it just makes me feel gross to drink too much of it. Bought a half-liter bottle of coke this afternoon (because of the metric system) to get a kick of caffeine to get through a long exam. I only drank half of it. I can't imagine drinking 64ounces of the stuff.

I stop a while ago too. Then Pepsi started selling the pure sugar no HFCS and now I drink 3 12oz a week. I feel much better after one than I ever did after the old stuff.

But those commercials told me the science said cane sugar and corn syrup work just the same for our bodies! (Which I call B.S. on, since they don't work the same for yeast.) I might have to look for the pure sugar Pepsi when I get back. Here in Germany, I like Fritz Cola. Made by a company started by a couple guys in Hamburg. Tastes way better than Coke/Pepsi, and is made with cane sugar. A bit more expensive since a .33l (~12oz) from the cafe on campus costs me as much as a .5l (~20oz.) bottle of Coke from the vending machine. But that's great since I don't really want to drink any more than that. Back home in the states, it's all about Virgil's Rootbeer or Boylan Pure Cane Cola.

The ultimate problem is no matter the source of the sugar in the drink, it's all junk calories. While I can't find the source right now, closest reference, nearly 30% of calories consumed by Americans are from sugary beverages. With almost 70% of Americans overweight or obese, you don't have to be a genius to see the connection. <Avid non-consumer of sugary beverages.

All I can add there... the people I knew in college who drank nothing but soda.. are all now quite overweight.. a few of them were overweight even back then