Shooting at Empire State Building

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Protecting a corporation, this is one of my worst nightmares. They say it was a disgruntled employee.

Oh boy! It's "The Summer of Shootings"

What, no one getting attacked by sharks anymore?

But seriously, seems like they kept him out of the building, so security did a good job. Sounds like the cops may have shot some bystanders though... not so good. Not terribly surprising (shooting guns on a crowded street) or easy to avoid, but not good.

I think we should ask Dave Mustaine what really went down. He seems to know an awful lot about these sorts of things. As a heavy metal guitarist he is probably privy to information we can't get.

I just had ABC news streaming and listened to the press conference.
Disgruntled worker shot co-worker outside of a business (woman's apparel manufacturer.)
Bad guy then walked away from the shooting scene, followed loosely by construction worker who was witness. That walk took the bad guy past the ESBuilding. It was there that the construction worker saw two officers and likely said something like "that guy has a gun."
Bad guy started to take gun out of black bag. Officers shot him dead. Seems up to 9 others were wounded.

The incident had nothing to do with the ESBuilding and did not start there but rather that is where it ended because officers hang out in the front of that high profile building.

Wally, are you okay?

In that situation, I can completely understand a little collateral damage.

Have you ever been on a Manhattan sidewalk at 9am?
Crazy busy place. I will bet most of the injuries were not bullet injuries but rather, knock-down while fleeing or trample type situations.

Apparently a kid shot himself at a GA high school this morning too

I thought New York was a gun free zone?

Kenny_McCormic wrote: I thought New York was a gun free zone?

No, you have to pay for them like everywhere else.

Thank you folks. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip the waitresses....

Kenny_McCormic wrote: I thought New York was a gun free zone?

I was avoiding that to avoid floundering, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
But uhh, yea. Gun restrictions are pretty damn tight there. I know I can't carry there.

N Sperlo wrote:

Kenny_McCormic wrote: I thought New York was a gun free zone?

I was avoiding that to avoid floundering, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! But uhh, yea. Gun restrictions are pretty damn tight there. I know I can't carry there.

At this point, would it be too obvious to say something like "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns?"

While this is a terrible event, I would like to say, I hope this incident involving a lone gunman isn’t used as an excuse to introduce anti-gun legislation. This is an isolated incident. By itself, this does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons.

How quickly we forget. We heard the same irresponsible calls after the shootings at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. A terrible tragedy, to be sure, but I hope it won’t be used as an excuse for anti-gun legislation. Like the shooting at the Empire State Building today, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons.

Very much like the shootings at the Aurora movie theater. As we all know, this was the act of one person and it is tragic. Like the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons.

The same irresponsible cries were heard after the Virginia Tech shootings last year. Clearly, this was the act of one man. An individual who did something absolutely tragic. Like the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings, and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. But by itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons.

Just like the tragic shootings last year in Arizona that killed four and injured Gabrielle Giffords. People then had the same knee jerk reaction suggesting that we needed more anti-gun laws. I’d like to remind everyone that this was the action of one crazy person. Like the Virginia Tech shootings, the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons.

I hope this will put to rest, once and for all, the irresponsible politicization of this tragic event. We hear the same tired cries after every mass shooting. Mass shootings happen all the time in the U.S. There’s nothing special about this one. Remember, this is one event. An isolated incident. Please stop trying to paint it as part of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.

Someone must not have told the gunman that guns are not allowed in NYC. Had he known, this would have never happened.

In reply to fast_eddie_72:
If this shooter would have not walked past THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, this event would have totally not been a national news story and would have been covered by little more than local NYC news.
Because it is a high profile building the speculation runs wild quickly.
In listening to the press conference, the question was asked, "where is the shooter from." I think the reporter wanted an answer like, "he is of middle eastern decent."
The answer given was, "he lives in Manhattan." I think it was a good answer and no need to fuel speculations and mongering.
A twitter picture send in from the scene showed a man laying at the curb. Not clearly defined as the shooter but I suspect it was.
My guess is this whole thing will be filed as a "domestic dispute." I bet worker #1 is f-ing worker #2's girlfriend/wife/etc or the reverse.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: While this is a terrible event, I would like to say, I hope this incident involving a lone gunman isn’t used as an excuse to introduce anti-gun legislation. This is an isolated incident. By itself, this does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. How quickly we forget. We heard the same irresponsible calls after the shootings at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. A terrible tragedy, to be sure, but I hope it won’t be used as an excuse for anti-gun legislation. Like the shooting at the Empire State Building today, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. Very much like the shootings at the Aurora movie theater. As we all know, this was the act of one person and it is tragic. Like the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. The same irresponsible cries were heard after the Virginia Tech shootings last year. Clearly, this was the act of one man. An individual who did something absolutely tragic. Like the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings, and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. But by itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. Just like the tragic shootings last year in Arizona that killed four and injured Gabrielle Giffords. People then had the same knee jerk reaction suggesting that we needed more anti-gun laws. I’d like to remind everyone that this was the action of one crazy person. Like the Virginia Tech shootings, the Aurora shootings, the Wisconsin shootings and the shootings this morning, it was an isolated incident. By itself, it does not show in any way that there is a pattern of gun violence indicating that it is too easy for angry, deranged or crazy people to get their hands on weapons. I hope this will put to rest, once and for all, the irresponsible politicization of this tragic event. We hear the same tired cries after every mass shooting. Mass shootings happen all the time in the U.S. There’s nothing special about this one. Remember, this is one event. An isolated incident. Please stop trying to paint it as part of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.

Um, Fast Eddie, you used “isolated” five times in your post…I’ve thrown parties with lower attendance.

...and yes, I do get your joke.

In reply to JohnRW1621:

I didn't hear anyone speculate or suggest that it had anything to do with anyone of "middle eastern decent" and I think you're almost certainly right- it very likey had something to do with one crazy guy being ticked about something.

But I don't see how that's a response to my post.

Those "gun-free zones" are useless if you can just travel 2-5-10-20 miles to pick up a gun.

But like Fast Eddie said, it's an isolated incident, nothing to see here.

JohnRW1621 wrote: In listening to the press conference, the question was asked, "where is the shooter from." I think the reporter wanted an answer like, he was the chairman of the Tea Party

FTFY

RX Reven' wrote: Um, Fast Eddie, you used “isolated” five times in your post…I’ve thrown parties with lower attendance.

See, there you go- trying to tie them all together somehow.

RX Reven' wrote:

JohnRW1621 wrote: In listening to the press conference, the question was asked, "where is the shooter from." I think the reporter wanted an answer like, he was the chairman of the Tea Party

FTFY

There's that liberal media bias. We all know that's what he wanted to hear, even if he said nothing of the sort.

Eddie, I was trying to agree with what you said about...

Eddie said: There’s nothing special about this one. Remember, this is one event. An isolated incident. Please stop trying to paint it as part of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.

I want to see national attention quickly moved away from this event. Though it is a bad event, i will bet the same or similar happened elsewhere today but happened in an area that had less exposure and less cameras.

Here you go... Randleman pleads guilty
This guy killed a cop in my small town last year at close range. I bet you did not hear about this one NYC and LA.

JohnRW1621 wrote: Eddie, I was trying to agree with what you said

It's like rain on your wedding day.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: There's that liberal media bias. We all *know* that's what he wanted to hear, even if he said nothing of the sort.

Really more of a sensational media bias.

Summer of the Shark!!! (unless sharks are considered conservative)

fast_eddie_72 wrote: I hope this will put to rest, once and for all, the irresponsible politicization of this tragic event. We hear the same tired cries after every mass shooting. Mass shootings happen all the time in the U.S. There’s nothing special about this one. Remember, this is one event. An isolated incident. Please stop trying to paint it as part of a larger problem that needs to be addressed.

Your pie has the smell of bovine fecal matter.

Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

oldsaw wrote: Your pie has the smell of bovine fecal matter.

Or at least seafood.

oldsaw wrote: Just how would your recipe address the "larger problem"?

Well, I have thoughts on the subject, but that wasn't the point of my post. I just want to provoke thought and suggest that nothing will change if we continue to make the discussion politically "off limits" after every event like this.

I would just like to hear our political leaders suggest some solution. All I actually hear is one side saying "don't exploit the situation for political gain" and the other side saying "okay". Well, side one, you got your request... and now what? We sit and wait for the next powder keg?