it's meant to "screw" the employer. If an employee is let go with a good reason, there is a system in place to keep that employee from collecting unemployment. By "dinging" the employerextra for three years it is meant to make it financially better to keep the employee than letting them go for no real reason
I think the objectionable part was the suggestion he should claim a false workmanship comp claim. People with legitimate claims get put through the wringer because everyone thinks there is nothing wrong with fraud as long as it's against someone with deep pockets.
Datsun1500 wrote:mad_machine wrote: it's meant to "screw" the employer. If an employee is let go with a good reason, there is a system in place to keep that employee from collecting unemployment. By "dinging" the employerextra for three years it is meant to make it financially better to keep the employee than letting them go for no real reasonI fired the guy because he was not doing his job. I was told you can't fire someone for not doing the job "if they were doing it to the best of their ability" It does not matter that clients were getting angry, because he was "trying as hard as he could" In this thread, my issues was with someone saying claim it at work because "it won't hurt anyone"
everyone gets a medal just for being on the payroll, and they all get ice cream at DQ after work on friday...
I never said it didn't hurt anyone. Dont get all frazzled and misread. Im saying he was screwed either way so he might have well screwed them back.
Right to work has been mangled to really screw the employee now, so you have to knlw hpw to fkght back. Ive been screwed royally by WC and an employer who just didnt care. Its not like he is working for a small business.
Datsun1500 wrote:mad_machine wrote: it's meant to "screw" the employer. If an employee is let go with a good reason, there is a system in place to keep that employee from collecting unemployment. By "dinging" the employerextra for three years it is meant to make it financially better to keep the employee than letting them go for no real reasonI fired the guy because he was not doing his job. I was told you can't fire someone for not doing the job "if they were doing it to the best of their ability" It does not matter that clients were getting angry, because he was "trying as hard as he could" In this thread, my issues was with someone saying claim it at work because "it won't hurt anyone"
That is a different story. I would not have fired him for being unable to do the job, but I would have made damn sure he got a job title that enabled him to work "to the best of his ability" even if it meant sweeping the floors and taking out the trash.. and the wage that goes with it. Eventually people like that leave on their own.
But if you want to see an employer that does suck. You only need look at my boss' boss at Harrah's AC. This time last year I got called in on an emergancy to fill in for somebody who got sick on the job. This was a job I had done regularly a year before, but I fell out of favour as the new Boss man brought in friends to do the job. Because it had been a year since I had done the job, the amount of changes made in those 365+ days were astounding. It was basically a new job.
In the middle of it, the DJ in the booth blew the relay on his power strip and all the music went out. 10 seconds later, I had the backup CD running and was trying to figure out what happened. The DJ was swearing up and down that he had not done a thing (He plugged in another computer) and didn't know why the power was out. The light on the Powerstrip does not work on or off, so it was across the building to look at the breakers.
Check the breakers, they are all fine, I get back to the Pool and double check everything and find the tripped power strip (there are three) and after telling the DJ not to plug anything else into it.. get the place up and running. DJ was "Down" about 15 minutes total.
Found out this weekend from the guy who went home sick, I got blamed for the whole thing. That the Boss' boss was told that there "no music" for half an hour and I did not have a clue what I was doing and that they didn't want me in the pool ever again.
Of course, nobody ever asked me what happened or what I did to correct it, they just automatically assigned blame and done.
Heh. I had a boss who was a big time boozehound. If he came back from a 2 hour lunch with a red face and a red Solo cup, oh E36 M3 watch out. My job was to bring business in the front end, money went out the back for stupid stuff faster than it came in the front. Of course we all know whose fault THAT was. 
Jaxmadine wrote: I never said it didn't hurt anyone. Dont get all frazzled and misread. Im saying he was screwed either way so he might have well screwed them back. Right to work has been mangled to really screw the employee now, so you have to knlw hpw to fkght back. Ive been screwed royally by WC and an employer who just didnt care. Its not like he is working for a small business.
who got screwed?
the guy in the OP that hurt himself on his own time in a way that affected his ability to do his job? the guy that's mad because he won't get his seasonal layoff because he's unable to do his job? the guy who's employer decided that they might not want someone with a known injury that might affect his ability to do the job in the future?
personally, i think there's more to the story.. an employer would work with and keep a good employee around when something like this happens. i don't know anything about this guy, the facts of the incident where he got injured, or how he is at his job or interacts with the people there... but they say that the squeeky wheel gets the grease, and maybe they thought he squeeked a little too much...
yeah, it sucks.. but get the leg all better and go find a better job at a better employer...
so now ima squeaky wheel?? ya so squeaky.. always wanting to take on more responsibility.. always making sure projects are done right and on time.. being a proficient operator and not destroying stuff.. ya i guess that makes me a squeeky wheel who needed to get moved down the road...
Datsun1500 wrote: I fired the guy because he was not doing his job. I was told you can't fire someone for not doing the job "if they were doing it to the best of their ability" It does not matter that clients were getting angry, because he was "trying as hard as he could"
what a crock of E36 M3 …. is this sorta like participation medals ?
if I hire someone to do a job, and it turns out they can't do said job, and I don't have somewhere else to put them … you bet your ass they're fired
In reply to novaderrik:
It depends on the company. Ours would try like hell to get rid of him. The company doctors would bend over backwards to find a reason he was no longer fit for duty so we could bring in someone cheaper.
To the OP, yes they do,and you are better off cutting your losses and moving on.
Yes. The op got screwed.
z31maniac wrote:novaderrik wrote:So, when he takes gov't "handouts" does he become one of the lazy, unwashed masses? The hypocrisy from the ultra-right cracks me up.z31maniac wrote:what am i missing? guy gets hurt off the job... it affects his ability to do said job... employer decides to cut him loose because he can't do his job... guy needs new job... employers aren't in the business of being "nice".. they are in the business of making money. they did the math and figured out that they can make more money without a certain employee... no need to feel hurt or betrayed- it's just business, and most people have been on the wrong end of situations like this. if it's about the timing of this- shortly before a seasonal layoff- see my previous paragraph. it sucks, but it happens.novaderrik wrote: time to find another job.. no biggie- it happens to everyone at some point. if they don't want you back, then why would you want to go back?*facepalm.png* Totally not the point at all.
lolerskates...receiving a subsidy WHEN YOU NEED IT (like, when you got canned for hurting yourself) is just fine. Staying on a subsidy because youre a lazy is not.
The The black-and-white-no-room-for-grey mentality from the ultra-left cracks me up...
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