I'll hold my immediate revulsion for the idea of new Star Wars stuff because of the 2009 reboot Abrams did for Star Trek. The two new ST movies are awesome. Disney has DEEP pockets. They have unbelievable resources for CGI. If they have an actual script with characters that are more than single dimensional talking heads I can't see how the combo of all that fails to deliver something cool. I'll risk my own $9 to find out.
All I know is, someone better get their hand cut off or it isn't Star Wars. (I watched 4-6 after stuffing myself on Turkey Day, a lot of left arms were sacrificed in those 6ish hours.)
JG Pasterjak wrote: As soon as I saw practical stormtrooper uniforms that excused a lot of Jar-Jar for me. One of the great things about episodes 4-6 is that the world looked lived in. Worn. Dirty. The way you would imagine a galaxy torn by civil war might look. CGI can do many wonderful and amazing things, but it's terrible at randomness, which is abundant in galaxies far, far away. Troopers bump their heads on doors, some uniforms fit better than others, sometimes blasters don't work and sometimes the walls of your piece-of-crap spaceship shake when you hit them.
If you read through the Cannon on SW.. the galaxy has been at war for generations. Yes, there are periods of peace, but the Republic and the Sith have been at it for as long as either can remember.
It also explains the more "functional" look to SW. You do not have time to build things pretty when you are always at war
mad_machine wrote:JG Pasterjak wrote: As soon as I saw practical stormtrooper uniforms that excused a lot of Jar-Jar for me. One of the great things about episodes 4-6 is that the world looked lived in. Worn. Dirty. The way you would imagine a galaxy torn by civil war might look. CGI can do many wonderful and amazing things, but it's terrible at randomness, which is abundant in galaxies far, far away. Troopers bump their heads on doors, some uniforms fit better than others, sometimes blasters don't work and sometimes the walls of your piece-of-crap spaceship shake when you hit them.If you read through the Cannon on SW.. the galaxy has been at war for generations. Yes, there are periods of peace, but the Republic and the Sith have been at it for as long as either can remember. It also explains the more "functional" look to SW. You do not have time to build things pretty when you are always at war
But prior to episode 1 they had been at peace for an extended time so I can accept some of the gloss. I really hope the new movie(s) veer back to the original formula though.
It's my understanding from reading around on a few geek forums (mostly Reddit), that the bad guy could be Darth Revan, who has typically been a character that was more from the "roots" of the Sith, and that has saber might be a more primitive version than the later katana-esque Jedi style.
The masked bad guy with the hilted saber was also spotted on set in the UK, so we know it isn't just concept art.
Now, the character itself may not be named Darth Revan, but a new "masked" villain is probably for certain, and there is quite a bit of buzz that this will be a different breed of Sith than those in previous movies.
There are a few other ideas as well: that the Empire has genetically modified warriors to be force sensitive and this could be a "Forcetropper". That Revan is brought back to life by Caedus (ie Jacen Solo), or that this masked character is a child of Han/Leia that has gone missing (Jacen) and uses the mask to hide his past/identity.
Trans_Maro wrote: I'm offended by the stormtrooper! Under that proud, snow white uniform, we find a black man. It's like Disney is saying that, deep down inside, we all want to be black! If you get all offended by this, go watch Chasing Amy..
"What's a Nubian?"
PHeller wrote: It's my understanding from reading around on a few geek forums (mostly Reddit), that the bad guy could be Darth Revan, who has typically been a character that was more from the "roots" of the Sith, and that has saber might be a more primitive version than the later katana-esque Jedi style. The masked bad guy with the hilted saber was also spotted on set in the UK, so we know it isn't just concept art. Now, the character itself may not be named Darth Revan, but a new "masked" villain is probably for certain, and there is quite a bit of buzz that this will be a different breed of Sith than those in previous movies. There are a few other ideas as well: that the Empire has genetically modified warriors to be force sensitive and this could be a "Forcetropper". That Revan is brought back to life by Caedus (ie Jacen Solo), or that this masked character is a child of Han/Leia that has gone missing (Jacen) and uses the mask to hide his past/identity.
interesting to note.. I play occasionally on the Star Wars MMORPG The Old Republic.. they are starting up a high level thing up with Revan coming back to destroy both the Republic and the Empire
GCooper wrote:Trans_Maro wrote: I'm offended by the stormtrooper! Under that proud, snow white uniform, we find a black man. It's like Disney is saying that, deep down inside, we all want to be black! If you get all offended by this, go watch Chasing Amy.."What's a Nubian?"
mad_machine wrote:PHeller wrote: There are a few other ideas as well: that the Empire has genetically modified warriors to be force sensitive and this could be a "Forcetropper". That Revan is brought back to life by Caedus (ie Jacen Solo), or that this masked character is a child of Han/Leia that has gone missing (Jacen) and uses the mask to hide his past/identity.interesting to note.. I play occasionally on the Star Wars MMORPG The Old Republic.. they are starting up a high level thing up with Revan coming back to destroy both the Republic and the Empire
We're talking nearly 3000 years separating the death of Revan/Malak and the movie's canon. Not even the longest living characters in the expanded universe live over 1000 years. He'd have to be "brought back", although there is nothing saying someone else couldn't wear a similar looking mask.
The concept art is really interesting though as it depicts both a cybernetic looking dude studying Vader's mask, as well as one of JJ's teaser pictures showing a cybernetic arm (Luke's?) holding a postcard. There is some talk that the cybernetic dude may be a collector of sorts, and one whom will pay for Luke's lost saber, but who will he sell it to?
David S. Wallens wrote:aircooled wrote:You mean the uniform or the guy inside? Someone correct me, but I thought that after the Clone Wars Stormtroopers started to come from recruits, not just clones. The suit looks smoother than I remembered, too. And maybe he's just a guy who woke up in the wrong suit and is having a really bad day. Or maybe the entire trailer is a dream. See, tension and questions.David S. Wallens wrote: ...What, a Stormtrooper without his helmet? And who is he running from?...Now... uhmmm... he's clearly not a stormtrooper... you know... uhmm... well, unless they went with a new "model".
This is kind of relevent:
I was in high school when the first one arrived - bowled me over. Every art assignment I turned in that year was Star Wars derived, there were x wings in the margins of my notebooks and Luke Skywalker murals on my bedroom walls. Most of the more recent sequels induced a resounding "meh", but hell, yeah, I want to see this one.
For the spoiler-inclined, this is a pretty good discussion of potential plot points and narrative flow.
http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
It mostly corroborates earlier such "spoiler" material, and basically reads like a list of "I read this in more than three places, so it must be true" -isms. Even so, it's a logical layout of the universe and does at least corroborate earlier theories and speculation. I'd be more than happy if that were the universe we got so see next year.
Also, Mad Max comes back in 2015, new Avengers and Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2. Shaping up to be a decent year already.
RexSeven wrote: I read somewhere that Lucasfilm is using a mix of practical effects (i.e. models) and CGI this time around to better replicate the feel of the original trilogy's effects. I also like that they're going with the "used future" aesthetic of the original series.
thank GAWD! that was half the charm of everything is how industrial, dirty, and real things looked. CGI has ruined the 'real' feeling afforded by this combination of synergy with practical effects and 'unclean' effects being destroyed.
(side geek note: i had a similar issue with Metroid on GC/Wii)
Well, it's not gonna be better than the first three, in their original, un-berkeleyed version. So all I'm hoping for is that they don't suck as bad as the last three.
If the first new one was three hours of jar-jar and both "actors" who "played" young and older Anakin Skywalker being brutally raped and murdered by Wookies while the original cast did shots of tequila and high-fived and smoked cigars in the background as an apology for the last three steaming piles of E36 M3, with a big "WE'RE REALLY SORRY" in Star Wars font at the end, I'd consider watching the next two.
Let's be real. NONE of the Star Wars movies had good acting. The Clone Wars series had the best acting the Star Wars franchise has ever seen and they were voice actors. The original movies had terrible acting and corny ass lines. We dont love Star Wars because of the great movie acting, lines, and cinematic story telling. We love it because its Star Wars! It takes you in an alternate universe. The concept is great and the creativity has so much potential. I am a huge Star Wars fan but even I will not expect a "great movie", I just want more Star Wars.
I predict that these new movies will probably be the best artistic representation of the franchise that we've ever seen on film. That includes acting and special effects. But, I don't think they'll be award winning movies. Well maybe except for biggest opening week.
Not to sound stupid, but when you guys say Clone Wars, are you talking about the cartoon? Or is there a book?
octavious wrote: Not to sound stupid, but when you guys say Clone Wars, are you talking about the cartoon? Or is there a book?
The Cartoon Network CG cartoon. It's actually surprisingly good. There's an older Clone Wars cartoon done by the guy who did Samurai Jack that's pretty cool too.
I watched the Clone Wars series on Netflix, not expecting much from a "kid's cartoon". I was impressed.
But I disagree. The original movies did have good acting, a little corny at times but they sounded like real humans talking/acting. The problem I had with the new trilogy was the cardboard-stiff acting and lines, and relying on CGI and grand epic views of various worlds over and over. (I even tolerated Jar Jar. Come on, if you can deal with the freaking Ewoks and the Tarzan yell, Jar Jar is not that bad.)
Clone wars has been a surprise to me too. I have been buying the DVDs and love how they are set up like old film "serials"
poopshovel wrote: ...If the first new one was three hours of jar-jar and both "actors" who "played" young and older Anakin Skywalker being brutally raped and murdered by Wookies while the original cast did shots of tequila and high-fived and smoked cigars in the background as an apology for the last three steaming piles of E36 M3, with a big "WE'RE REALLY SORRY" in Star Wars font at the end...
The figurine playsets that result from that would be particularly interesting.
mad_machine wrote: Clone wars has been a surprise to me too. I have been buying the DVDs and love how they are set up like old film "serials"
They're also available through Netflix streaming. And yes, I also enjoy the format. I also like seeing Yoda kick ass.
I watched my first couple episodes of CW on Netflix recently. Surprised at how decent it was.
aircooled wrote:poopshovel wrote: ...If the first new one was three hours of jar-jar and both "actors" who "played" young and older Anakin Skywalker being brutally raped and murdered by Wookies while the original cast did shots of tequila and high-fived and smoked cigars in the background as an apology for the last three steaming piles of E36 M3, with a big "WE'RE REALLY SORRY" in Star Wars font at the end...The figurine playsets that result from that would be particularly interesting.
"Disney proudly presents the all new 'berkeleyed to death screaming jar-jar!' - slightly less disturbing than Miley Cyrus!"
Mark Hamill may be the worst actor to ever appear in a major film.
there.....I said it, and it's true.
I agree wholeheartedly with Yupididit---- Star Wars isn't about quality acting-- it's about the story, the special effects, and the endless hype and consumerism.
The reason the franchise has thrived is that they basically invented the idea of marketing toys to kids based on a movie. The films themselves aren't the reason for it ----it's the marketing of those films to kids that grow-up entrenched in a Star Wars crazy culture.
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