Ted Kennedy

mad_machine wrote: Speak good or bad of Ted.. he must have been doing something right to stay in the Senete that long

You mean like Jesse Helms did, or Strom Thurmond?

All three of those "gentlemen" are a compelling argument for term limits.

chaparral wrote: He was no saint. He was no genius. But do not let that stand in the way. He was the worst legislator of our time and his 47-year record speaks for itself.

There, I fixed that for you.

chaparral wrote: He was the greatest legislator of our time and his 47-year record speaks for itself.

Be careful, it seems like you are trying to pass opinion off as fact. What record are you refering to? The $13 trillion debt he helped rack up?

Maybe now that he is gone, the project to build a wind farm in Nantucket Sound will move ahead. Old Teddy spent years fighting it since green energy is all and good, just not any where near his compound. I don't really see anything redeeming about the man, his life, his legislation.

Duke wrote:

mad_machine wrote: Speak good or bad of Ted.. he must have been doing something right to stay in the Senete that long

You mean like Jesse Helms did, or Strom Thurmond? All three of those "gentlemen" are a compelling argument for term limits.

Honestly, even though I lean left in most social statements (and right in fisical) I will give both those gentlemen credit. I may not have agreed with them in 90% of what they did.. but they stuck to their guns and gave their people (the ones that voted for them) EXACTLY what they wanted.

Isn't that what being a politician is all about? Representing your people's wishes and wants?

mad_machine wrote:

Duke wrote:

mad_machine wrote: Speak good or bad of Ted.. he must have been doing something right to stay in the Senete that long

You mean like Jesse Helms did, or Strom Thurmond? All three of those "gentlemen" are a compelling argument for term limits.

Honestly, even though I lean left in most social statements (and right in fisical) I will give both those gentlemen credit. I may not have agreed with them in 90% of what they did.. but they stuck to their guns and gave their people (the ones that voted for them) EXACTLY what they wanted. Isn't that what being a politician is all about? Representing your people's wishes and wants?

Not attempting to derail this homage to Teddy, but it's refreshing to see the current crowd of DC bottom-feeders get taught this lesson.

Rusty_Rabbit84 wrote:

This ad is so great, it deserved a second posting.

carguy123 wrote: In reply to z31maniac: I didn't agree with guys policies/past actions, but let's not speak ill of the deceased. So that means it's OK to speak well of Hitler? (I'm told any mention of Hitler automatically kills any thread on the internet)

Jesus, it's incredible the leaps in logic some of you try to pass as reasonable. How saying, "Show some tact and don't dance on the guys grave" equates to "speaking well of Hitler" I have no idea how you made that jump.

Wow, I had not seen that ad before. In today's day and age, that ad would create a whole s-storm of litigation.

"And, like Mary Jo Kapachne, it's only 99 and 44/100 percent pure."

Not to mention the Teddy digs

It's fake. From National Lampoon, circa '73: http://www.interocitor.com/archives/000601.html

jrw1621 wrote: Wow, I had not seen that ad before. In today's day and age, that ad would create a whole s-storm of litigation. "And, like Mary Jo Kapachne, it's only 99 and 44/100 percent pure." Not to mention the Teddy digs

As I'm sure it would have in it's day and age also. I don't think there was ever a time were something like that would have been in good taste. That's why it's not real.

TJ wrote:

chaparral wrote: He was the greatest legislator of our time and his 47-year record speaks for itself.

Be careful, it seems like you are trying to pass opinion off as fact. What record are you refering to? The $13 trillion debt he helped rack up? Maybe now that he is gone, the project to build a wind farm in Nantucket Sound will move ahead. Old Teddy spent years fighting it since green energy is all and good, just not any where near his compound. I don't really see anything redeeming about the man, his life, his legislation.

I remember there being a surplus when Bush came into office.

96DXCivic wrote:

TJ wrote:

chaparral wrote: He was the greatest legislator of our time and his 47-year record speaks for itself.

Be careful, it seems like you are trying to pass opinion off as fact. What record are you refering to? The $13 trillion debt he helped rack up? Maybe now that he is gone, the project to build a wind farm in Nantucket Sound will move ahead. Old Teddy spent years fighting it since green energy is all and good, just not any where near his compound. I don't really see anything redeeming about the man, his life, his legislation.

I remember there being a surplus when Bush came into office.

It drives me NUTS when people mix up the national debt with the annual budget.

There WAS NO "surplus" in the national debt when Bush came into office (in fact, there is no such thing). It's debatable whether there was one in the annual budget.

So who are the remaining sisters? Teddy is the little guy on the lap, the women apear adultlike. They must be about 90 by now (if alive).

Dan

EDIT: I stand corrected.

It appears Jean Kennedy Smith is still with us. Scroll down to the Org Chart at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_family

In reply to 96DXCivic:

The US has virtually always had a national debt. The one exception is a single year during Andrew Jackson's administration in 1835 when Jackson succeeded in being the only US president to pay off the national debt. One year later, recession- back in debt.

The budget is like your annual income. If you make $50K per year, fine. But if you spend $60K one year, then you have $10K in debt- perhaps on your credit cards, perhaps in your car loan or your home mortgage. A little debt is not a big problem.

Continue going negative like that for over 200 years, and you'll have a bigger problem.

We are currently on track, under the existing administration, for our annual budget deficit (that's how much extra debt we take on each year beyond what we make) to reach very close to 100% of GNP for the first time in history. The highest it ever got under Bush was 70.2%

In other words, it's like borrowing so you can spend $100K every single year while you continue to make the same $50K. That accumulates VERY rapidly.

Budget deficits are bad, but sometimes necessary. National debt (unchecked) is a lot worse.

Nothing good to say...except:

Good luck Massachusetts.

Ugh, a Kennedy has died. Now we're stuck with Michael Jackson-ish 24/7 coverage of this "breaking news story".

Dead guy. Bury him. Move on.

96DXCivic wrote: I remember there being a surplus when Bush came into office.

Besides you talking about something completely different than I was as already pointed out, I remember Ted was in the Senate at that time, and unless he voted against every budget and spending bill that came his way (I know he did not) then I can accurately place some the the blame for our out of control debt. I was not trying to let any of the GOP people off the hook - if it was a long time Republican Senator who passed I would've made the same comment. Don't jump to conclusions, not everybody in this country is a blind follower of one of the two parties.

TJ wrote:

96DXCivic wrote: I remember there being a surplus when Bush came into office.

Besides you talking about something completely different than I was as already pointed out, I remember Ted was in the Senate at that time, and unless he voted against every budget and spending bill that came his way (I know he did not) then I can accurately place some the the blame for our out of control debt. I was not trying to let any of the GOP people off the hook - if it was a long time Republican Senator who passed I would've made the same comment. Don't jump to conclusions, not everybody in this country is a blind follower of one of the two parties.

TJ, it appears 96DXCivic's confusion in distinguishing the differences between an annual budget surplus and the on-going national debt have been addressed by SVreX. Whether he absorbs the information is a different issue.

I like your observation that all politicians will vote for some spending bills even when they are vehemently opposed to most others - regardless of party affiliation.

Sarcasm duly noted and appreciated.

Eunice Kennedy Shriver, founder of the Special Olympics and mother of Maria Shriver passed away earlier this month as well.

pete240z wrote: Being a car guy, all I ever wondered was what kind of Oldsmobile that was. Delta 88?

Forget what kind of Oldsmobile that was, what the hell kind of bridge is that?

MrJoshua wrote:

pete240z wrote: Being a car guy, all I ever wondered was what kind of Oldsmobile that was. Delta 88?

Forget what kind of Oldsmobile that was, what the hell kind of bridge is that?

Looks pretty SOP for '60's rural coastal areas.

The locals (like Ted) were expected to drive with due diligence. He didn't and got away with it.

yes... we STILL have a bridge similar to that around here (though it closed due to a lack of revenue through the toll booth)

basically 20 feet wide, made of wood and with PIPE railings to keep you from falling into the drink. It was also half a mile long and was a drawbridge.

I can still ride my bike across it

Well, we already got a message complaining that this thread has been rude. You guys are adults, so I trust that you'll monitor yourselves. And please, no need for the he said, she said. I don't mind the political debates, just don't be a dick.

Thanks.