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oldtin
oldtin PowerDork
3/11/16 3:28 p.m.

So back in high school I smoked a little week, had a few beers along with some other stuff. I survived a fair amount of stupid stuff. I don't think parents or the cool uncle would have held much sway with me at the time - might even push it further. So I think don't try the preaching or scare tactic route. I think it's fair game to talk about taking responsibility for the person he is - the person he wants to be. So is the behavior consistent with who he is, what his dreams and aspirations are? Whatever route he goes, it's his decisions and all the ramifications that implies. Understand that part of this is him trying to figure that stuff out.

HunterBenz
HunterBenz New Reader
3/11/16 4:04 p.m.

Morgues sometimes do tours as well. LSD and what passes for it now days is no joke. Pot itself is getting so potent I've seen some people seriously fry their brain on that crap. Some people claim it only "brings out" mental illnesses that are already present.

OK, even if that is true, why exacerbate an already effed up situation.

That being said, most of the pot heads I deal with are much worse off than a majority of pot users. But it only takes one bad day with it to really berkeley you up. You should see some of the total E36 M3 fertilizers and other discussing crap some guys grow the pot with.

I do agree that scare tactics usually don't work, but when they do, they really do. Rather than saying, this is how you will end up. Just make sure he understands the risks involved. Most non-effed up kids will be mature about that kind of thing if you come at them in a mature manner.

fasted58
fasted58 UltimaDork
3/12/16 7:36 a.m.
BrokenYugo wrote: In reply to fasted58: What happens there is they find out they were lied to about pot being dangerous, and jump to the conclusion that everything else they were told about drugs was a lie too. I've seen it happen when I was that age, and it's hard to reason with a pissed off teenager having newfound fun. This is why honest education, not fear mongering, is really the best route.

Two of the hardest crashes I seen were women in their thirties, lost their jobs and kids. One coulda had a sweet pension now but can't even hold a job at the Dollar store. Another two guys who we played slot cars and basketball with never made it past 41, those were needles.

Teenage experimentation and rebellion were long gone, they made these decisions later in life. They were all decent enough folks to begin with, what makes a person pick up a crack pipe or stick a needle in their arm I'll never know.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
3/12/16 6:17 p.m.

It is impossible to be addicted to pot. Addicted at first try is a very real possibility for certain drugs though.

Derick Freese
Derick Freese UltraDork
3/12/16 11:36 p.m.
mtn wrote: It is impossible to be physically addicted to pot. Addicted at first try is a very real possibility for certain drugs though.

FTFY. You can get addicted to anything. See porn and internet addictions for other examples.

Nathan JansenvanDoorn
Nathan JansenvanDoorn Dork
3/13/16 12:06 a.m.

Dependence and addiction to pot is a very real thing for a minority of users. It's not addictive for the majority, but it CAN be addictive, medically speaking.

mtn wrote: It is impossible to be addicted to pot. Addicted at first try is a very real possibility for certain drugs though.
curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/13/16 9:32 p.m.

I take a much broader interpretation of drugs. The first thing that needs to be realized is that many of the illegal drugs are not addictive or necessarily harmful when taken responsibly. On the one side you have pot, hash, MDMA, LSD, etc. On the other side you have Meth, heroin, other opiates, coke and crack, etc.

The other thing to look at is the type of person using them. I had a twitchy friend who was a chain pot smoker. He even woke up in the middle of the night to smoke sometimes. He would give me the stuff that wasn't strong enough for him and it would put my lights out. He wasn't addicted, it was just that his brain liked the way it smoothed him out, not unlike I drink a beer before bed to shut my brain off and help me sleep. But if I smoke weed, I'm done. I don't like the high. I'm already a super chill, relaxed kind of guy. I can do three lines of coke and still sleep like a baby.

Now... take my friend on an acid trip? I wouldn't like to see that. I think he'd freak and have a terrible trip. Me on the other hand, I love it. I like the fact that I'm given the altered visuals because I can easily separate the fantasy from reality. He probably couldn't.

I remember the first time I did "harder" drugs. I spent a weekend trying Mollie, mushrooms, and acid. I remember thinking about all the horror stories I learned from commercials and health class. It made my experience almost anti-climactic. The reality is that the highs were fantastic. They put so much fear into you about them that just isn't the case. I was with a trusted friend. It was great.

I will not, however, ever do Meth, herion, or other opiates. First of all, the highs don't sound interesting to me. Secondly, (although I've never done them) those are the drugs they warn you about being so harmful. Very addictive and corrosive to your body.

Back to the original topic: I would never put myself in the situation of mentoring a kid about drug use. Firstly, I never had kids so I'm not qualified to even mentor a kid with a science fair project. Secondly, I would applaud his wise choices of pot and LSD, and I would help him by vetting the blotters and the sellers first; giving him a safe environment in which to try it. This is why I would be terrible at it. Don't ever leave your kids with me.

spitfirebill
spitfirebill PowerDork
3/14/16 7:36 a.m.

This may be the first time I've ever heard of LSD being a "wise choice".

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
3/14/16 7:57 a.m.

You can't get physically addicted to weed. Mentally, you can.

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
3/14/16 10:24 a.m.

There's a lot of good (and some bad) info out there in this thread already, so I'll try not to make this post too redundant. Let's just say I've dabbled in pot and other things in the past, through the latter part of high school and college, though I had hard lines with certain things (opioids for instance) that were never, ever crossed. The OP's nephew actually doesn't sound entirely dissimilar to myself at that age (minus the depression, I was a pretty happy-go-lucky kid for the most part). I had my E36 M3 together pretty well back then and I'd like to think I've turned out pretty well today.

First off, I saw "wax" mentioned somewhere up the thread and I don't think anyone has explained that one yet. Wax is basically a refined and more concentrated form of THC, sometimes also referred to as hash oil. If my room mate's little brother is any indication, it seems to be all the rage among the kids these days, though I don't remember seeing it much at all even just a few years back when I was still in college.

I've tried LSD on more than one occasion and I'll say that I truly consider it a positive life experience. I think it has permanently and positively altered the way I think about and perceive certain things, such as, for example, one's sense of self and significance in the universe. It is also how I learned what Coriolis force is, but that's another story. It is very difficult to explain this to someone who is not familiar with the drug, because the popular perception is that it basically creates a sort of carnival of silly hallucinations, but to the intellectual mind it can also be a deeply thought provoking experience.

That being said, a few words of caution. One, you must be in a good mental state going into the experience, as it will tend to accentuate any underlying feelings and emotions, for better or for worse. If your nephew is struggling with depression, LSD is probably a bad idea at this point in his life. Two, while the real stuff is still out there (and you will know it when you find it), there has also been a massive proliferation of other hallucinogens that are not as well known and come from god knows where. Sometimes they get passed off as LSD, sometimes they go by heir own name, usually an alphanumeric thing like 2CE or the like. Avoid these. Three, on a similar note, don't ever be the guinea pig. Let some other poor schmuck who bought from the same guy try his first, that way you know a) whether it will kill you and b) whether its any good. Four, LSD is not an all the time thing, if you're dropping acid every weekend you will fry your brain and become a complete space cadet in short order. Seen it happen to people, they start losing touch with reality. This is a very powerful mind altering substance and one which must be treated with respect.

I think the most important thing here is to ascertain why he is interested in these things. Different people with different personalities/issues/interests/ect I think are drawn to different types of drugs as a result of the above, as they are looking to either accentuate or hide from certain traits. Put another way, I think everyone has a "drug of choice" based on personality traits.

For instance, someone who is gregarious and outgoing might prefer coke or molly as it enables them to be up all night and be social. Similarly, someone who is more reserved might also have an affinity for those drugs also, as they would tend to counteract their natural tendencies toward social apprehension in a situation where that might inhibit them, for instance a college party. We'll call these people the "partyers." Someone who is intellectually curious, but perhaps burnt out with academics or isn't challenged enough, might have an interest in hallucinogenics as a new way to stimulate and explore the mind. Looking back, I think this was kind of my mentality and sounds like your nephew might fall into this group as well. We'll call them the "experimenters." I think the most dangerous group is those who are just looking to "get away from it all." These are the people unhappy with themselves, who maybe have some serious underlying issues or a bad family situation or something, and they seem to be drawn towards opiates, which allow them to detach from that reality. Let's call them the "escapists."

That's more than enough arm chair psychology from me, though. The point in all that rambling being that if there are serious underlying issues, those are what tend to exacerbate the drug use and lead to real problems, particularly if there is a family history of addiction. If he has his head on straight, his E36 M3 together, and has real goals and ambitions in life, more than likely he's going to be OK, outside of the risks already discussed in this thread.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
3/14/16 6:28 p.m.
iadr wrote:
curtis73 wrote: On the one side you have pot, hash, MDMA, LSD, etc. On the other side you have Meth, heroin, other opiates, coke and crack, etc.
Sorry- I should be the last person picking this fight, but.... that dichotomy, as well as it may have served you, seems false based on my experiences and chemical knowledge. Meth and MDMA are one syllable apart in chemistry, and the common GHB+meth mix feels exactly like a harder MDMA hit.

While I agree that they are modestly related molecules, their chemical metabolism is completely different. Cyanide is just one harmless carbon and one harmless nitrogen, but put them together and its deadly poison. Meth causes damaged blood vessels in the brain that can cause strokes or an irregular heartbeat that can, in turn, cause cardiovascular collapse or death; and liver, kidney and lung damage. Users may suffer brain damage, including memory loss. LSD causes you to temporarily be able to smell the number 6, taste sound, and laugh a lot. Even the Partnership for a Drug Free World organization lists no long term side effects or damage from LSD use. (of course, provided you don't overdose which could cause overheating and slight liver damage.)

Considering how long many high ranked Hollywooders, not just stars but money guys, managers of all ilks had been or still are- heavy cocaine users, not sure I'd put that on the wrong side of the list, either. Mostly they are very functional. Perhaps not forever, but that's the nature of the business. Also, the ones that crash are suffering from personal history, or genetically prone... Also suffering from the effect of too much free time...devil and idle hands effect. And too much money young.

I can get behind that. Coke is kinda neutral, but it can be physically addictive and also has pretty irreversible heart damage from long term use. (but I still love it )

It appalls me that US politics has misused drug use as a dividing line- Svrex's story, and the warnings about refusal of student loans, etc. Ridiculous.

I definitely agree with you there.

That said I maintain pot is disgusting, and immediately harmful more than is recognized. The only reason I would/will vote to legalize is it takes the "war on drugs" out at the knees.

more harmful than recognized? How so? I just haven't seen anything regarding harmful effects of MJ. Sure does smell like crap though.

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