aircooled wrote:stuart in mn wrote:I am pretty sure he means Joseph Goebbels:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Sure... Who do you work for? Is that you Gobbels?What the hell is that supposed to mean?not Gobbels:
you can never be careful with Mr Gobbels and his kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeJ5GvrgE8A
stuart in mn wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Sure... Who do you work for? Is that you Gobbels?What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Well, accusing you of collusion with the Nazi propaganda minister for downplaying the story was funnier in my head at the time. Especially since I misspelled his name.
There may have been cocktails involved.
In reply to novaderrik:
Mr Gobbels was strutting around my yard this AM with his posse of 20 lady friends.
Before the ban fell, the propaganda would just be laundered through Hollywood. Movies can get US military consultation and assistance(!) if they portray the military in a sufficiently positive light. The Transformers series exploits this heavily, and I think Battle Los Angeles was done with nothing but this assistance and an indie-film budget 
There is "spin" which always exists and then there is official state sponsored propaganda which when legal can be positioned as real, factual information from many different sources that look like legitimate news outlets. Like the Surgeon General for instance. Or NPR.
It is how the Chinese learned that smoking is good for you.
It is how the North Koreans came to believe they are a world super-power and that their leader holds the US military at bay with sexual prowess and long range nuclear missile capability.
It was probably illegal for a really good reason no one can seem to remember. We have a lot of useless laws we could live without but this one is probably a keeper.
Like it used to be illegal to kill Americans without a trial. Like it used to be illegal to hold prisoners indefinitely without a trial. Like it used to be illegal to search and seize property without a warrant. Like it used to be illegal to torture prisoners for information. Like it used to be illegal to hold court in secret. Like it used to be illegal to spy on American citizens, lie to congress, use government agencies like the IRS to punish your political enemies... the list goes on.
Except the list of people arrested for doing these things.
Seems to me there is a trend here and people seem to dismiss these as individual insignificant policy changes but never add up the sum. Like I ignore my racing budget because I want to believe it's all good.
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
Pretty much....this has been changing for the better part of a century thus far.
So is NPR propaganda because it receives government money? Are libraries propaganda then?
PHeller wrote: So is NPR propaganda because it receives government money? Are libraries propaganda then?
I didn't say they are - I said they could be.
The trick here is that if it's not illegal - then how can you know that secret agency A didn't put a news team together and send them over there to work in return for $5M in funding?
How do we know that the Drudge Report or Democracy Now aren't secretly funded by billion dollar corporations?
PHeller wrote: How do we know that the Drudge Report or Democracy Now aren't secretly funded by billion dollar corporations?
You do not.
PHeller wrote: So is NPR propaganda because it receives government money? Are libraries propaganda then?
The only thing I can note on this, libraries don't exactly pick and choose sides in the US political climate like NPR does.....I sometimes have to turn off All Things Considered and The World due to blatantly obvious political motive. So is NPR propaganda? Perhaps. Could we ever find out? Probably not.
If you can collect data in a way that shows inflation to be 1.47% and unemployment to be 5.9%, do propaganda laws matter?
PHeller wrote: So is NPR propaganda because it receives government money?
Only for the DNC.
yamaha wrote: ...So is NPR propaganda? Perhaps. Could we ever find out? Probably not.
I thought the "common" belief is that NPR is overly liberal, not that it is pro-government. This would be pretty easy to test of course by looking at any bias as the slant of the administration in power changes.
I think the real problem with current day propaganda is that the "press" is currently still free (at least in the US) and is that pretty much the definition of propaganda that it can be easily shown as false (e.g. Jews are all thief's and sub-human). True propaganda works great when you have full control of all media (N Korea, China, Russia), MUCH harder to do these days.
I think perhaps a greater danger is that the "press/media" that is supposed to be able to uncover and counter propaganda are in many ways bigger distributors of it. There appears to be a shrinking pool of people who could even be considered "journalists" (not that even they are perfect of course).
Seems like every other post on facebook lately is from NPR, and I never "like" or "follow" anything. I wonder if that could be related?
In reply to aircooled:
Well, I have only been listening to it for about 4 years now, so I guess we might find out in 2 years. 
True propaganda works great when you have full control of all media (N Korea, China, Russia), MUCH harder to do these days.
this.
i tune out reports like this that immediately run to the most sensational an extreme description in order to get attention.
like pretty much any cry of censorship I hear in reaction to perceived free speech threat.
not censorship without the government doing the censoring...
If you need to know the truth on any world-news matter there is a simple solution.
Just tune in to the famous Fox News Station and then go directly to Al Jazeera.
Truth is probably smack dab in the middle of the two.
If you want to know what is going on in the US, your first step should be to step outside of the fishbowl for a few years and have a gander from the outside and then go back inside so you can compare the two views. They are quite different.
modern multimedia news coverage lost all integrity in my estimation right around the time of the 24 hour news cycle with CNN.
where possible, i look for text and print media only as a primary source... but thats me..
madmallard wrote:yamaha wrote: True propaganda works great when you have full control of all media (N Korea, China, Russia), MUCH harder to do these days.this. i tune out reports like this that immediately run to the most sensational an extreme description in order to get attention. like pretty much any cry of censorship I hear in reaction to perceived free speech threat. not censorship without the government doing the censoring...
Just a note, Aircooled wrote that, not me. 
My Mom taught me how propaganda works when I was still way too young to know what it even was. After watching a Disney movie, she explained how Disney always got you emotionally directed by killing off a parent or somehow handicapping the protagonist. Once they got you moving, it takes very little effort to keep you headed where they want you to go.
As an 8 or 9 year old, I probably thought the old gal was drunk or something,cause I did not get it at the time, but somehow that always stuck with me and seems to be more truth than poetry as I get older.
humm political thread on GRM, how could this possibly go wrong...
In reply to Flight Service:
I'd say its actually gone quite well.....but then again, the usual inflammatory comment makers have been fairly absent.
NOHOME wrote: My Mom taught me how propaganda works when I was still way too young to know what it even was. After watching a Disney movie, she explained how Disney always got you emotionally directed by killing off a parent or somehow handicapping the protagonist. Once they got you moving, it takes very little effort to keep you headed where they want you to go. As an 8 or 9 year old, I probably thought the old gal was drunk or something,cause I did not get it at the time, but somehow that always stuck with me and seems to be more truth than poetry as I get older.
Tell moms that that's the basis for all young adult literature or movies. Kids love reading about or watching kids act like adults. Easiest way to have that plot is to kill off the parents.
yamaha wrote: In reply to Flight Service: I'd say its actually gone quite well.....but then again, the usual inflammatory comment makers have been fairly absent.
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