rotard wrote: I also wasn't aware that my primary duty was to kill people and berkeley E36 M3 up.
Well if one joins the Marine Corps, you know that is your primary duty. Anything else you do is just waiting for the STHTF...
Every Marine is a rifleman first, and maybe something else second (if you aren't part of an infantry unit). They tell you this from day one. They are serious about it.
Secretariata wrote:rotard wrote: I also wasn't aware that my primary duty was to kill people and berkeley E36 M3 up.Well if one joins the Marine Corps, you know that is your primary duty. Anything else you do is just waiting for the STHTF... Every Marine is a rifleman first, and maybe something else second (if you aren't part of an infantry unit). They tell you this from day one. They are serious about it.
Every Soldier and Marine is a rifleman first. Your primary duty, however, is to defend the United States of America from both foreign and domestic enemies. Yes, you may have to kill people and berkeley E36 M3 up, but thinking that that is the only thing to your job is something only an idiot private would believe.
I'm pretty sure when you boil it down to the most basic form, the idea is to kill people and break their stuff before they do it to you. What was it General Patton said? "Its not your duty to die for your country. Its your duty to make some other son of a bitch die for his country."
rotard wrote: Yes, you may have to kill people and berkeley E36 M3 up, but thinking that that is the only thing to your job is something only an idiot private would believe.
Lighten up Francis...
wow.. did I stir up something there. I realize that the first responsibility for any soldier is not to kill. I am a navy brat afterall.. just that the Coasties go out of their way to avoid killing. If you ever watched the videos on Coastie snipers, they only aim for the people AFTER the boat is stopped and they have their own crew aboard.
mad_machine wrote: wow.. did I stir up something there. I realize that the first responsibility for any soldier is not to kill. I am a navy brat afterall.. just that the Coasties go out of their way to avoid killing. If you ever watched the videos on Coastie snipers, they only aim for the people AFTER the boat is stopped and they have their own crew aboard.
I don't know if you've SEEN the ROE for Afghanistan, but you can't seriously make the statement that the Coast Guard goes out of their way to avoid killing more than any other branch.
Osterkraut wrote:rotard wrote: I also wasn't aware that my primary duty was to kill people and berkeley E36 M3 up.I don't even get a gun.
Really?
What do you fly? I thought even C130 pilots had M9s.
Streetwiseguy wrote: ...and break their stuff before they do it to you.
The Army, Navy, and Air Force break all of our equipment before we get it. (USMC)
The waiting for STHTF job for me was repair E36 M3ty hand-me-down equipment.
mad_machine wrote: wow.. did I stir up something there. I realize that the first responsibility for any soldier is not to kill. I am a navy brat afterall.. just that the Coasties go out of their way to avoid killing. If you ever watched the videos on Coastie snipers, they only aim for the people AFTER the boat is stopped and they have their own crew aboard.
Hrm. Don't know about the snipers, but a relative who will remain unnamed was a Coast Guard sharp shooter. One of his jobs was to shoot at the boats running from them. Blew up quite a few motors that way.
Have you thought about Border Patrol. Their always hiring and I'm working for one of their contractors. I probably have a few more hookups. We don't have aircraft, though. I'm not sure how many the Border Patrol has, but I know they have some.
z31maniac said: It sounds like you need a different company not a different career.
I agree with z31maniac. I have been a mech engineer for 14 years in 5 different companies and I can assure you that most people quit people and not jobs.
I have been in a company where the work sucked, but the people were great and if it weren't for some exterior circumstances, I would have kept it.
And I have been in a company were the work was amazing (intense R&D, testing, hardcore design, etc.), but the boss was crazy and made everyone miserable and I was more than happy to leave after less than a year.
A few things that you must realize though, is that as a mech eng, office life will be your life. If you want something more physical, I suggest civil engineering (field work).
Also, you must realize that 90% of engineer in North America, don't do any engineering, but administration and management. And the more experience you have, the less engineering you will do.
That last point is actually starting to burn me out of engineering.
Osterkraut wrote:mad_machine wrote: And unlike other branches.. their main job is to protect people, not protect the country.Uh, excuse me, it's the Department of Defense, not the Department of Killing People and Breaking Their E36 M3!
FTFY
Anti-stance wrote:Streetwiseguy wrote: ...and break their stuff before they do it to you.The Army, Navy, and Air Force break all of our equipment before we get it. (USMC) The waiting for STHTF job for me was repair E36 M3ty hand-me-down equipment.
So basically, E36 M3 really hasn't changed since the berkeleying Solomon's?
That is an incredibly sad.
Well I have a few different areas of perspective here so I'll start with today and work backwards.
I love my company, I like the people I work for and work with. I get paid amazingly well, great benefits, and I'm actually proud to work for the company I work for.
That said there are days, even weeks where if I didn't show up no one would notice and 90% of my job is boring, unfulfilling, paper pushing. The other 10% is stuff I love to do.
I spent 12 years in the Air Force. I loved the military, I liked the people I worked for and with. I got paid terribly with benefits to match (free healthcare is worth exactly what you pay for it). I was proud of the company I worked for.
There were days, even weeks where if I didn't show up no one would have notice and 90% of my job was boring, unfulfilling paper pushing. The other 10% was stuff I loved to do.
Can we spot the difference in those scenarios? My annual bonus this year will be more than my annual salary was in the military. Jobs are, generally, unsatisfying. The difference is I now have the freedom both of time (you have less free time in the military) and financially, to do things that feed my head and soul in my off time. My boss even realizes it and encourages it.
I'm not trying to bag on the military, it was a great part of my life and I appreciate all I got from it. But a fulfilling, satisfying life it is not. It is a job, like any other job, and will come with the same, if not more, red tape, paper pushing doldrums as any other.
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