The newer films are too long, disjointed and seem to have lots of unexplained and unresolved subplots. Jack is a better Joker than Heath. I am not Michael Keaton fan, but even he was a better Batman than Christian Bale. And Bale's computerized voice is stupid. I'll post more reasons as I think of them, but I figure this is enough to set people off.
They made new Batman movies?!!?
Your opinion is wrong.
Otto Maddox wrote: Jack is a better Joker than Heath.
Absurd. Unpossible.
I know this is just your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is completely wrong. Absurdly, horribly wrong.
Perhaps you should be detained in a mental health facility for a month until you come around to the "right" way of thinking.
In reply to O'Brien:
OK, maybe I got a little out of control with the Joker claim. But the difference isn't as big as people seem to think.
The Nolan franchise is what you get when you elect that party to power. If the old party had remained in power none of this crappy batman would have happened but Oh no. Now America will end.
Alfred shouldn't have a cockney accent. He is supposed to be really dignified. Michael Kane blew it. Old Batman wins here.
The 2 Keaton Batman films were pretty good. The latter Schumacher films with Val Kilmer/George Clooney/Chris O'Donnell were utter garbage.
They still dont hold a candle to the Nolan trilogy...in any way...at all...in the world
I dinno, I kinda preferred Michael Kane Alfred. Sure he wasn't NEARLY as dignified, but the dry wrought humor he brought was rather amusing.
nocones wrote: The Nolan franchise is what you get when you elect that party to power. If the old party had remained in power none of this crappy batman would have happened but Oh no. Now America will end.
Well played sir, well played indeed.
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Burton's Gotham City looks like Gotham City. Nolan's looks like any other generic American city.
I need to catch up on Batman movies, I haven't watched one since Michael Keaton was Batman.
Danny Elfman did far better scores. Point to Burton's Batman movies.
The new ones have lots of weird political overtones that don't really make a lot of sense. I prefer to keep my movies as non-political as possible.
I don't really like any Tim Burton movies, so I will just exclude myself from the debate....
...except to say that the Dark Knight was an exceptional movie, especially for the Comic Book genre.
My wife, kids, and myself went to see the new Batman last week. It really sucked. Same old tired and worn out plot as all the rest of them, The only changes were the villian and the actors.The kids(10yrs and 6yrs) weren't even interested. My wife didn't even like it and her tolerance for crappy movies is about 500% higher than mine, so we left about 2/3rds of the way through, didn't even care to stick around to the end. Hollywood is just freakin tired and creatively bankrupt. And yes you are exactly right about Alfred's cockney accent, it was totally out of place and distracting, the director must have his head up his own tuchas.
The Burton vs. Nolan argument is a valid one, both movies have their pros and cons, I will agree that the newer movies are a little on the long side, but I don't believe any of that time is wasted. The last two movies are great, but honestly Batman Begins is my favorite. No other movie ever showed the beginning, which I found much more interesting.
I'm gonna go play Arkham City now.
Danny Elfman did far better scores. Point to Burton's Batman movies.
...and to your estrogen levels. 
I tend to think of the Burton movies as comic book movies and the Nolan movies as crime or war films that just happen to feature a pissed off dude in a bat suit.
One of the cool things about any comic book character is that you can look to any number of writers and creators for different interpretations. Personally, I'm a big fan of Grant Morrison's version of Batman, which is a lot like Nolan's: moody, angry, smart to the point of borderline crazy and less concerned with "law" than with "justice." I'm also wanting to get through all of the Cataclysm and No Man's Land story arcs, which have a lot of parallels in the Nolan movies.
Personally, I prefer the Nolan stuff. It's harsh. You feel like you need a shower after either of the last two films. And Nolan's Batman is frequently less in control than any of his nemeses.
Actually, one of the things I loved about The Dark Knight Rises was that it was a Batman film with very little Batman. It wasn't so much about Batman the guy in the cape, but the effect that having a Batman has on a city, both good and bad.
jg
In reply to Otto Maddox:
Is there not a forum rule against inciteful comments?
I haven't seen the Tim Burton Batman movies in a long time. Haven't seen "Dark Knight Rises" yet. I do like the other Nolan movies.
Still, Kevin Conroy's Batman from The Animated Series and Arkham Asylum/Arkham City Games is the definitive Batman for me. Bale's bad Clint Eastwood impression was inspired by Conroy slightly deepening his voice for Batman as opposed to Bruce Wayne. The Animated Series also gave us Harley Quinn and changed Mr. Freeze from a gimmicky crook to a tragic anti-villain (which Batman and Robin horribly mangled).
Finally, when it comes to The Joker, it's Mark Hamill > everyone else. He teetered the line between trickster and psychopath perfectly, and that laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb8fWUUXeKM
RexSeven wrote: I haven't seen the Tim Burton Batman movies in a long time. Haven't seen "Dark Knight Rises" yet. I do like the other Nolan movies.
Tim Burton makes hurt-your-eyes movies, Nolan makes hurt-your-brain movies.
So i guess it depends on if you want pretty images or something to think about.
The way I see it Tim Burton did a good job of making a Batman movie as close to the comics as possible without making it look completely ridiculous.
Christopher Nolan did a good job of making a Batman movie as realistic as possible.
And the same goes for Jack's vs. Heath's performances as the Joker. Jack's was a good representation of the charismatic funnyman criminal from the comics and Heath's was more like what a real-life costumed homicidal maniac might be like.
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