Tim Burton's Batman movies are better than Christopher Nolan's

I would say Nolan's second Batman is the best of the lot.

I was not that impressed with the most recent one. Many things threw it off. Sean Connery's voice as bane was very distracting (yes, I know it wasn't him). The story line was almost silly with all sorts of unnecessary plot lines. Some of the technical aspects were VERY silly also e.g.:

• Get in a large cluster and charge a bunch of people with machine guns like you in the Revolutionary war.... uh... right. It was like some bad Kung Fu movie! What?, did WWI never happen! Did I miss something!?

• Someone breaks into a stock exchange, shoots up the place, places orders during that time.... and those trades go through!!

I liked some aspects of it, but a very strange movie in general. Nolan has done MUCH better.

In reply to RexSeven:

I agree with this. It was the animated series that introduced me to Batman, and everything involved in it.

Otto Maddox wrote: Jack is a better Joker than Heath.

I was having this conversation with a buddy of mine.

Burton's Batman reflects the earlier comics. While dark, there was a comical charisma to it.

Nolan's Batman reflects the newer comics that were dark and more serious.

The Nolan movies remind me very much of The Animated Series.

RexSeven wrote: Finally, when it comes to The Joker, it's Mark Hamill > everyone else. He teetered the line between trickster and psychopath perfectly, and that laugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb8fWUUXeKM

He does the voices in the two most recent games too. Actually, he does a LOT of voices.

Re: original topic: I can see liking either series more. They are both wildly different interpretations and are hard to compare. I prefer the Nolan movies, with Batman Begins being my favorite.

The important fact related to Batman movies we can all agree on is Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are terrible.

The thing with the Nolan batman movies, is they'd be pretty solid, even if it was Random borderline nuts good guy A vs random brilliant psychopath B. Burton's Batman would blow donkey hootus if it wasn't Batman.

Also, ADAM MOTHERberkeleyING WEST.

ProDarwin wrote: The important fact related to Batman movies we can all agree on is Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are terrible.

Hey, Batman Forever is on G4 right now. I'd rather punch myself in the crotch until I fall asleep than watch that crap.

I must be the only one who has realised that all Gothams problems could be solved by a taller fence around the asylum.

How can you not love Cesar Romero as the Joker? He wouldn't shave his moustache so they just went over it with clown white

Mark Hamill was awesome as Joker, but... Heath Ledger's Joker makes my skin crawl. SERIOUSLY creepy and awesome.

Lieutenant Commander Data's Joker ( ) has a weird quality to me that is hard to put a finger on. He's not quite so out of control, but it's the dryness that Brent Spiner delivers that just makes it feel a bit uncomfortable. And that's what The Joker is supposed to do, in my opinion.

Val Kilmer was the greatest Batman ever!

Come at me bro!

That Burton/Smith banter thing is awesome...precisely why I hart Kevin Smith.

But I also hart Burton movies. I just think the Nolan Batman films were better films, in general. I agree with what has been said here, even if the Nolan films were just about a random hero, and not batman, theyd be better movies regardless. The Burton films did a great job of making a movie look like a comic book, and I think the Nicholson/Keaton pairing were perfect...both did an outstanding job as COMIC characters.

But on pure cinematic quality, and entertainment value, Nolan CRUSHES Burton.

logdog wrote: Val Kilmer was the greatest Batman ever! Come at me bro!

After seeing George Clooney as Batman this doesn't even bother me.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

I had high hopes for Val Kilmer. While he might have been an improvement over Keaton, he had no script to work with.

I think Burton's claymation/animated movies are awesome. Nightmare and Coraline are great. I thought his Batman interpretation was schticky at best.

C.mon, didn't any one else laugh at the pathetic awkward sadness of:

"Who are you!?!?"

dramatic pause

"I'm Batman"

Every single bad guy in Burton's movies were cartoons - like the 60's TV show even though he tried to make Batman himself some sort of serious badass with lame attempts at 80's action flick one liners. "Chicks dig the car". Seriously?

They are lousy, E36 M3ty, awful movies.

Here's my issue with the latest trilogy. I like superheros because they are super, and heros. All Christian Bale did was moan and groan and complain and wallow in self-pity. Be a man, grow a pair and get tough.

And according to the latest Batman series, Batman was introduced, was out there for like a month, then took 8 years off, then reappeared for an evening, then was killed off. Does that sound like the hero of Gotham? And Bruce Wayne is penniless and Wayne Manor is an orphanage? WTF is that? And the best a good-looking Billionaire can do in the lady department is Maggie Gyllenhaal? I can do better than that and I am ugly and broke.

4cylndrfury wrote: That Burton/Smith banter thing is awesome...precisely why I hart Kevin Smith. But I also hart Burton movies. I just think the Nolan Batman films were better films, in general. I agree with what has been said here, even if the Nolan films were just about a random hero, and not batman, theyd be better movies regardless. The Burton films did a great job of making a movie look like a comic book, and I think the Nicholson/Keaton pairing were perfect...both did an outstanding job as COMIC characters. But on pure cinematic quality, and entertainment value, Nolan CRUSHES Burton.

Ugh. Kevin Smith. Cop Out? Red State? He should have retired after Dogma.

Otto Maddox wrote: In reply to GameboyRMH: I had high hopes for Val Kilmer. While he might have been an improvement over Keaton, he had no script to work with.

Batman and Robin might be tied with Caddyshack II for worst film ever made that didn't go straight to video.

pinchvalve wrote: Here's my issue with the latest trilogy. I like superheros because they are super, and heros. All Christian Bale did was moan and groan and complain and wallow in self-pity. Be a man, grow a pair and get tough. And according to the latest Batman series, Batman was introduced, was out there for like a month, then took 8 years off, then reappeared for an evening, then was killed off. Does that sound like the hero of Gotham? And Bruce Wayne is penniless and Wayne Manor is an orphanage? WTF is that? And the best a good-looking Billionaire can do in the lady department is Maggie Gyllenhaal? I can do better than that and I am ugly and broke.

I was with you 100% until you insulted sweet Maggie.

GameboyRMH wrote:

logdog wrote: Val Kilmer was the greatest Batman ever! Come at me bro!

After seeing George Clooney as Batman this doesn't even bother me.

Both scripts where CRAP.

Kilmer was a good Batman, but was too pretty to be Wayne, not to mention blonde.

Clooney was a horrid Batman, but to me, coming from the 90's cartoons, was the perfect representation of Bruce Wayne. I'm not sure if I can explain it.

I agree with Kevin Smith that the Burton movies look like he had next to zero knowledge of the Batman lore. It's as if he really just wanted to make movies about the villians and gave only passing thoughts towards Batman.

The Nolan movie (I've only seen the first one and liked it a lot) seemed to be much more in line with the comic book stories starting in the 90's when most of the superhero comics started taking on a darker and more adult tone that better reflected the average age of the readers.

I'm still curious to see how they changed the Bane character. I was selling comics in the early 90's when he was introduced in the Batman world and I actually have those books.

Otto Maddox wrote:

pinchvalve wrote: Here's my issue with the latest trilogy. I like superheros because they are super, and heros. All Christian Bale did was moan and groan and complain and wallow in self-pity. Be a man, grow a pair and get tough. And according to the latest Batman series, Batman was introduced, was out there for like a month, then took 8 years off, then reappeared for an evening, then was killed off. Does that sound like the hero of Gotham? And Bruce Wayne is penniless and Wayne Manor is an orphanage? WTF is that? And the best a good-looking Billionaire can do in the lady department is Maggie Gyllenhaal? I can do better than that and I am ugly and broke.

I was with you 100% until you insulted sweet Maggie.

She looks like Corky berkeleyed a cabbage patch kid.

poopshovel wrote:

Otto Maddox wrote:

pinchvalve wrote: Here's my issue with the latest trilogy. I like superheros because they are super, and heros. All Christian Bale did was moan and groan and complain and wallow in self-pity. Be a man, grow a pair and get tough. And according to the latest Batman series, Batman was introduced, was out there for like a month, then took 8 years off, then reappeared for an evening, then was killed off. Does that sound like the hero of Gotham? And Bruce Wayne is penniless and Wayne Manor is an orphanage? WTF is that? And the best a good-looking Billionaire can do in the lady department is Maggie Gyllenhaal? I can do better than that and I am ugly and broke.

I was with you 100% until you insulted sweet Maggie.

She looks smokin' ass hot

FTFY

In reply to poopshovel:

Yeah, but that is kind of sexy, don't you think?

Otto Maddox wrote:

4cylndrfury wrote: That Burton/Smith banter thing is awesome...precisely why I hart Kevin Smith. But I also hart Burton movies. I just think the Nolan Batman films were better films, in general. I agree with what has been said here, even if the Nolan films were just about a random hero, and not batman, theyd be better movies regardless. The Burton films did a great job of making a movie look like a comic book, and I think the Nicholson/Keaton pairing were perfect...both did an outstanding job as COMIC characters. But on pure cinematic quality, and entertainment value, Nolan CRUSHES Burton.

Ugh. Kevin Smith. Cop Out? Red State? He should have retired after Dogma.

your opinion is wrong

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I think Burton's claymation/animated movies are awesome. Nightmare and Coraline are great. I thought his Batman interpretation was schticky at best. C.mon, didn't any one else laugh at the pathetic awkward sadness of: "Who are you!?!?" dramatic pause "I'm Batman" Every single bad guy in Burton's movies were cartoons - like the 60's TV show even though he tried to make Batman himself some sort of serious badass with lame attempts at 80's action flick one liners. "Chicks dig the car". Seriously? They are lousy, E36 M3ty, awful movies.

You are mocking the "I'm Batman" line - but it's the best line out of all of the modern Batman movies. Modern being "less than 25 years old", I guess. My friends and I have used that line many, many times. And yes, chicks do dig the car.

To me, Batman is a comic book character. I grew up watching Adam West, and to me the Batcave should have as many labels as possible. I own the original movie on DVD but none of the others. However, I'm more likely to want to watch the Nolan movies again instead of the first Burton ones. Heath Ledger did an awesome job of making the Joker into a scary character instead of, well, a joke. I didn't find the newest one as compelling other than the fact that it had Catwoman.