The problem with hate crimes, criminzation of speech, etc... is that once the precedent is established that the Government can criminalize speech (or apparent motive), then it's only a matter of "current fashion" exactly what speech is criminalized.
The problem with hate crimes, criminzation of speech, etc... is that once the precedent is established that the Government can criminalize speech (or apparent motive), then it's only a matter of "current fashion" exactly what speech is criminalized.
Treatment of women in the Muslim world.
Treatment of criminals.
Can we build a "Christian center for Peace" anywhere in Saudia Arabia? Can we build one in Mecca or Medina?
There is a cultural clash here. They have their way of doing things and that's fine, but we also have our way.
Our way says you can criticize religions, and the religions can get all sorts of upset, but can't break any laws to retaliate.
Their way is a bit different.
It's what we do
jamscal wrote: 1. Treatment of women in the Muslim world. 2. Treatment of criminals. 3. Can we build a "Christian center for Peace" anywhere in Saudia Arabia? Can we build one in Mecca or Medina? There is a cultural clash here. They have their way of doing things and that's fine, but we also have our way. Our way says you can criticize religions, and the religions can get all sorts of upset, but can't break any laws to retaliate. Their way is a bit different. It's what we do
and 2. Not all of the middle east is as backwards as the rest of the headliners.
(I'm typing the #3, why does it keep showing up as 1?) Yes you can. There are a lot of Christians in the middle east. I'm amazed at how many people focus on the minute differences between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, when there are far more similarities. And this argument is kinda funny, because you're basically saying that if we can't do something in a backwards country, that when people immigrate here, we should treat them backwards as well.
Didn't mean to imply they shouldn't build the Islamic Center. If they have the cash and the will, they can go for it.
I realize there are Christians in the Middle East.
But it would probably cause a stir if a large group of American Evangelicals were to set up shop in Saudi Arabia to do what they do.
I think there are MAJOR differences between and even within each of the three religions.
I don't know that I can express my problem exactly. I guess it's this: We have among us idiots who will post vile depictions of the Prophet on Craigslists Rants and Raves: Get over it.
I do believe that 99% of people in the world are just trying to get by peaceably.
But ask Rushdie if it was just a few crazy Muslims who wanted his head or would one of the thousands BURNING HIS BOOK 
in England have done it given the chance?
The way I understand it (someone sing out if I'm wrong!) is that the Christian God, Jewish Yaweh and Muslim Allah are all considered to be the same deity under different names.
So if all 3 groups profess to believe in the same deity, why would any one trash the others? 
Going back to my SB childhood, it was pretty clear that other branches of Christian religion were considered backwards and heretical. Not cool, very judgemental.
"suspicion of stirring racial hatred, and have since been released on bail"
How odd, Didnt know Islam was a race.
Yeah, it always strikes me as strange that anti-Semitism is thought of as racism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_antisemitism
Here's the weird part: I knew a girl in high school who was Jewish, she was blonde and blue eyed.
Your article answers your question. For the past couple hundred years, Jews have been thought of as a race, not as just a religious choice... and the mainstream anti-Semitism has been primarily overtly based on the racial and societal aspects, not the religious ones.
The polar opposite appears true for anti-Christian and anti-Muslim discrimination.
But since being Jewish is not limited to those considered racially Jewish, a blond-hair blue-eyed Jewish woman really couldn't be considered any more unusual than a black Muslim.
Bill
I just burned a stack of Roundel, Panorama, Popular Science and there might have been a few old Korans in there too. Whatever was in the rack next to the crapper with a soft cover and older than 2yrs.
Worthy of note: There were no GRMs in there. Burning them is a sacrilege.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Worthy of note: There were no GRMs in there. Burning them is a sacrilege.
Whew! Good thing. I was getting all ramped up for a Jihad!
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Worthy of note: There were no GRMs in there. Burning them is a sacrilege.
You're damn right sonny gem!
Jensenman wrote: The way I understand it (someone sing out if I'm wrong!) is that the Christian God, Jewish Yaweh and Muslim Allah are all considered to be the same deity under different names. So if all 3 groups profess to believe in the same deity, why would any one trash the others?
That was my understanding too. And as one of my interpreters explained it to me, the Koran actually says not the kill Children of the Book. Which means Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
So why then are they all killing each other? Couldn't be just plain old human cussedness, oh no. 
And anybody who burns a GRM is on my E36 M3 list, too. I'll pull up to your house with open rotary headers and a great big glue trap. 
Jensenman wrote: So why then are they all killing each other? Couldn't be just plain old human cussedness, oh no.
Isn't GRM the official book for the "Church of the Holy Cone"?
It just dawned on me what we car fanatics could do if we labeled our disease as religion. Noise complaints? Too bad, its our religious right to have a race track (place of prayer)!
Strangely enough, I am an ordained deacon in the Church of the Great Outdoors.
http://www.thechurchofthegreatoutdoors.com/
^^^I'd forgotten all about that. Some genuinely funny stuff, there.
"And the followers of Lucas shall be cast into the Darkness."
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