"Unofficial" Forza 4 Spec B Championship

If I read some instructions a long time ago, you can put two tires off and still have a clean lap. But if you even come close to touching the curbing, you are going to get the scarlet letter.

Basically, 2 tires off is still clean. 3 off is a dirty lap, though some corners get tricky on what is counted as off course. Most times the curbing still counts as on some corners it doesn't. It varies between tracks and sometimes between corners on the same track.

What makes me mad is getting 2 off, or taking the "racing line" out of turn 5 at Road Atlanta. Everyone hops that exit curbing, but in Forza, you get a red mark

So I get tired of driving stock C class cars and leave to go build something.

But a DeTomaso Pantera... no dice, need front engine.

Buy a BMW 2002... nope, gots to be N/A

Buy an old Alfa GTV... go back and you're running D class

The learning curve was pretty steep on the first race that I did with you. Going straight from a Mazda 2 to a Dodge Dart and then finding out it had no ABS was pretty "exciting".

Good times. Looking forward to losing tomorrow

Note to self: When taking your tuned B500 Trans Am Javelin down to C425 by making the tires the stock size and compound makes for a completely undriveable car.

Got to looking at my Javelin last night. It actually had STOCK tires on it. Had to take somewhere around 100hp off to get the street tire on it and stay in B class.

OK, here's my stab at the Classic Trans-Am Series (Multi-Class B & C) that we were running last night. Please feel free to critique and suggest other cars. I tried to stick to the real rules as much as possible, but pretty much all the old pony cars have too much displacement.

Rules

STM: OFF

TCM: OFF

ABS: OFF

Steering: Normal or Simulation

Transmission: Automatic, Manual, or Manual w/ Clutch

Please note allowable mods that include "MAX". This means this is the maximum allowable modification of that type, so less, including stock, may be used. All other modifications must be performed before engine modifications to move up to class PI limit. I recommend making all specified modifications, maximizing tire width (for class), then putting on the hottest cam that keeps you under the PI limit, and fine tuning with flywheel, clutch, driveline and engine mods to meet the PI limit.

Over 2L (B Class)

Approved Cars

1965 Ford Mustang GT

1968 Dodge Dart Hemi Super Stock

1968 Shelby GT-500KR

1968 Pontiac Firebird

1968 Barracuda Formula-S

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28

1970 Dodge Challenger R/T

1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator

1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28

1970 Ford Mustang BOSS 429

1971 Plymouth 'Cuda 426 HEMI

1971 AMC Javelin AMX

1971 Ford Mustang Mach 1

1973 Firebird Trans-Am SD-455

Tire Compound: Street

Front Tire Width: 225 MAX

Rear Tire Width: 245 MAX

Wheels: American Racing Torque Thrust

Wheel Size: Stock

Brakes: Street

Suspension: Race

Front Sway Bar: Race

Rear Sway Bar: Race

Reinforcement: Race Cage

Weight Reduction: Full

Front Aero: Stock, Forza, or Remove Bumper

Rear Aero: Stock or Remove Bumper

Clutch: Race MAX

Transmission: Sport

Driveline: Sport MAX

Differential: Race

Engine Mods: Free (After above mods satisfied)

Exceptions: No Turbocharging or Supercharging

Displacement must be Stock OR >2.0L AND <5.0L

Under 2L (C Class)

Approved Cars

1965 Alfa Romeo GTA Stradale

1966 Lotus Cortina

1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432

1969 Toyota 2000GT

1970 Porsche 914/6

1970 Datsun 510

1971 Nissan Skyline 2000GTR

1971 Lotus Elan Sprint

1973 Ford Pinto

Provisional (Exceeds Class Limitations)

1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III

1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza

1971 BMW 3.0 CSL

1973 BMW 2002 Turbo

1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS

Tire Compound: Street

Front Tire Width: 205 MAX

Rear Tire Width: 205 MAX

Wheels: Compmotive Panasport looking ones

Wheel Size: Stock

Brakes: Street

Suspension: Race

Front Sway Bar: Race

Rear Sway Bar: Race

Reinforcement: Race Cage

Weight Reduction: Full

Front Aero: Stock, Forza, or Remove Bumper

Rear Aero: Stock or Remove Bumper

Clutch: Race MAX

Transmission: Sport

Driveline: Sport MAX

Differential: Race

Engine Mods: Free (After above mods satisfied)

Exceptions: No Turbocharging or Supercharging

Displacement must not exceed 2.0L

Tracks

Infineon Raceway Sears Point Long

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca

Sedona Raceway Park Club

Road America

Indianapolis Motor Speedway Grand Prix

Maple Valley Raceway Full

Road Atlanta Full

Sebring International Full

Sunset Peninsula Raceway Full

Finally broke into the 1:02.99's!!!

I just wanted to post on here to give everyone a heads up so you can think about it before the race:

There is no blend line at Iberian and pit exit is almost in the apex of Turn 1.

Cars leaving the pits will be coming out at about 20-30mph, cars on the racing line will be doing 65-70 mid corner. We will all need to take special care when doing the mandatory pit stop and watch out for other drivers. I suggest we try and stay track left until turn 2 to keep an incident from occurring.

If it helps, a pit stop at Iberian adds about 15 seconds to your lap, so if you look at your map and there are several cars going through the last right hand turns on the track (approaching the left hand decreasing radius turn before the front straight) you are going to end up leaving the pits right in front of them and be at racing speed by the time they catch up to you.

Anyone just hitting the front straight will be setup on a crash course with you when you leave the pits!!!!

Everyone is forewarned! Looking forward to tonight!!!

The BMW 3.0 CSL and Porsche RS should actually run in the big class. Alf Gebhardt ran a 3.0 and Tony Adamowicz ran an RS in T/A way back when.

I am looking forward to the battle for last place tonight!!

How long are we talking about for the Classic Trans-Am race? Had a blast last night, thanks everyone for putting up with me sliding all over the place and being slow.

There might be a way to take the turbo off the 2002 if it has an engine swap available. I know they would drop the ZR-1 down a class by doing an engine swap, and when you swapped back, it wouldn't have the super-charger anymore.

Also, the 914-6 is a 2.7L isn't it?

Great info, Atticus. I had planned on trying to figure out the timing when I get home tonight. Thanks for doing the legwork! Any big revelation that got you into the 1:02's? I played with the swaybars a little last night and finally got into the low 1:04's.

PS: I am a little confused/concerned about the whole standing start/gridding thing. How the heck am I supposed to find who I'm supposed to be behind while blazing around the track? What if they are behind me? Do I wait until they pass and try to jump in behind them from a crawl, potentially causing a wreck? On the rolling start, is someone calling "GREEN" or something?

One more: We are still running tonight, right? Date on page 1 is the 9th (tomorrow.) Sorry. Overly analytical detail oriented anal boy strikes again.

Yeah, the CSL and RS are technically in the O2 class, but I was thinking we might be able to use the RS as a facsimile for the 911s that dominated U2 for a season or two. Also, the CSL is kinda close to performance of the smaller cars, and that class is a little light. If they're in the big class, might they end up at ringers being that they'll weight like 1000 lbs less?

Regarding the 914/6, I'd like to say I knew this (in actuallity I just spaced on it being the 6 and not the 4-cylinder), but wikipedia says 2.0L H6. I'll have to check to see if Forza agrees. I'll also give the 2002 de-turbo procedure a try. Got to have something period correct to run against the 510.

The wife will boot the system up and the scragglers will be kicked out of the store tonight.

In reply to poopshovel:

We will grid by our lap times from our qualifying tonight. From the standing start, find the person you will be gridding up nest to. Example, if you start on Pole, you will be on the left hand side. If I start second, I will be on the right hand side. So I know to look for you under our pace lap and will start along side of you. It is the responsibility of the Pole starter to say "Green" so that way the people at the back know when to start.

I advise extreme caution on the pace lap and first lap for damage. I did a mock race with AI cars and had damage on the first lap. It affected my lap times by a full 2 seconds at 50% damage up front (aero wise), so just remember cold tires, longer braking distances.

Race is tonight. Everything will get going around 8:30 eastern. We will have a 10 minute practice to run with a crowd and allow time to adjust anything on the cars. From there, we will have our 10 lap quali in "time attack" format. The actual race itself should begin around 9:00. I will write the starting grid down for everyone so they know where to grid up. There will be a total of 31 laps for the main race. The first lap is to grid up and try and put some heat in the tires Anyone trying to take advantage will be DQ'ed, not that I think any of you guys will cheat.

poopshovel wrote: How the heck am I supposed to find who I'm supposed to be behind while blazing around the track?

If its anything like the time we tried it before it will be a complete fluster berkeley. first 2-4 cars take off like a bat outta hell to the last turn while everyone else in the back is crashing into one another.

I'll be lucky if I manage to stay out of a sandtrap on the formation lap...

How about on the start, nobody move. Then take off in order 1 through 16. You have to LH turn after going uphill to warm, then slow down and grid up before the last turn onto the straight. Or maybe we need two laps to warm up tires and grid.

I'll be getting home right around the start. I'll take 16th.

LainfordExpress wrote: How about on the start, nobody move. Then take off in order 1 through 16. You have to LH turn after going uphill to warm, then slow down and grid up before the last turn onto the straight. Or maybe we need two laps to warm up tires and grid.

I like that. Call out your number as you go. "One" "Two" "Three" when your number is next go and call out your number.

You can program it for a delayed start.

Uh guys, at least two of us don't have headsets and can't hear or call out anything...

I believe you can program the poll for the current score making the vehicles start in the order of the last race finishings.

I forgot about the headset thing. That wont work.

I guess we could do what N Sperlo is saying about setting the room to line us up based on the room score. The only problem is will it line us up based on lap times and not where we finish in the qualifying session?

Also, will it allow us to do the practice session, then set the scoring for the qualifying session, then have us grid up based on our qualifying time? Or will we have to do the practice, hop out of the room, get back in the room fresh with no scores, set the score keeping based on the qualifying times, run the qualifying session, then it will grid us up in the proper grid position for the race?

Anti-stance wrote: I forgot about the headset thing. That wont work. I guess we could do what N Sperlo is saying about setting the room to line us up based on the room score. The only problem is will it line us up based on lap times and not where we finish in the qualifying session? Also, will it allow us to do the practice session, then set the scoring for the qualifying session, then have us grid up based on our qualifying time? Or will we have to do the practice, hop out of the room, get back in the room fresh with no scores, set the score keeping based on the qualifying times, run the qualifying session, then it will grid us up in the proper grid position for the race?

Or we could have all of our practicing done, 8:30 the room gets created give about 5-10 minutes for people to show up, set the room up for qualifying score, go qualify, take 5-10 minutes, then go race?