Westerns!

Discussion of non-western westerns made me google.  A couple of the suggestions in these don't match to me, but some of them definitely do

http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2016/15-non-western-movies-that-have-western-tropes/

https://www.indiewire.com/2015/04/8-westerns-not-set-in-the-old-west-264519/

Robert Rodriguez' Mexico Trilogy needs to be mentioned somewhere, if only for Mrs Hayek.

Mr_Asa said:

Robert Rodriguez' Mexico Trilogy needs to be mentioned somewhere, if only for Mrs Hayek.

Absolutely. If Desperado isn't a modern-day western, I don't know what is. Also in that category is Hell or High Water, and Wind River, both with the same writer.

As for Mandalorian being a western, yes it's scifi at the end of the day, but there was an episode in the first season that completely lifted the plot of The Magnificent Seven, so yeah, it certainly owes a debt to westerns.

Yeah just watched The Ballad of Buster Scruggs a bit ago, super dark but super good.

If we're talking Space Westerns then Guardians of the Galaxy is that to a T.

The hateful eight? It's probably more frontier than western, but damn good.

A modern Australian "western" worth seeing is Red Hill, definitely rate it. 

Another aussie one is The Proposition. It's written by Nick cave, and he and warren ellis did the music for it too.

I only just recently saw No country for old men, it's really really good. The lack of any real music/soundtrack in the traditional sense was striking, seemed to really add to the movie by it's omission.

The Mandalorian is absolutely a western.

Man with no name, roams from place to place doing good deeds. 

He even speaks like Clint Eastwood in the "man with no name" movies.

That's all the show is, Sergio Leone movies in space.

Nobody has mentioned "Support your Local Sherrif" yet?

After a civil war where the good guys won, morally flexible individuals live out on the frontier trying to get by. The remnants of the losing side are broken but not gone and want to rebuild what was lost.

Into this world walks a man who kills quickly but lives by a personal code of honor. He takes a job for money but discovers something he cares about that changes the way he views the world. He runs across various individuals who fought in the war - on both sides - and carry the weight of what they did and what it did to them.

...yeah, Mandalorian is a Western.

In reply to ShawnG :

I came in late to say deadwood but that was already brought up and scrolled to the end to say my childhood favorites of support your local sherrid/gunfighter

One thing I really respect about deadwood is the realism of the fight scenes and their aftermath. Seeing Al laid up in bed for days after his brawl with Seth and the lingering bruises on both of them that stuck around for weeks really makes an impact. 

In reply to Beer Baron :

I totally get what you are saying, I just feel green space baby isn't exactly period correct

Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Beer Baron :

I totally get what you are saying, I just feel green space baby isn't exactly period correct

Din Djarin is the Good.  Moff Gideon is the Bad.  Green space baby is the Ugly

914Driver said:

Cowboys.

Did you know The Searchers is based on a true story?  I saw the woman's grave at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma.  Same place Geronimo was incarcerated.

The Searchers has elements from several true stories.  Cynthia Ann Parker was one truly tragic figure of the Old West.  A bit later, Britt Johnson provided some of the inspiration for John Wayne's role with his search for his family that had been captured by Comanche.  There are several others.

Either of those stories, told with an even hand, could make a great movie on its own.  

I'm partial to the original True Grit since most of it was filmed within 20 miles of my house, also a big fan of The Shootist.  Another one not yet mentioned that I like is Night Passage with Jimmy Stewart - most takes place on the Denver & Rio Grande railroad, and the final shootout takes place in the Mayflower Mill just north of Silverton, CO, which is normally open to the public for tours.  In the film we get to see the aerial tram in operation.

What's a Western?  I write about the history of the American West, so I belong to the Western Writers of America, which is a professional organization for people who write about the American West: novels, nonfiction, music, poetry, children's books, you name it.  Books that take place in modern times, like the Longmire series or Tony and Anne Hillerman's books, are definitely included.  So what qualifies as a Western film can have a really broad meaning - I personally would certainly include Star Wars, etc.  And definitely Quigley Down Under.

The Sons of Katie Elder was also based loosely on a true story - but the real name wasn't Elder, it was Marlow.  Charlie and George Marlow survived an attack by a mob of vigilantes (their two brothers were killed), and moved to the new town of Ridgway, Colorado (where I now live) in 1890 where they served as lawmen for about 10 years and were respected and popular ranchers.  You can probably get several versions of their story, with varying degrees of accuracy, by searching Marlow Brothers Texas.

Also a shout out to the other great movie Doc Holliday, Dennis Quaid in Wyatt Earp.  He had to lose around 40 pounds to get into the role and does a great job.  Different from Val Kilmer, but also very good.

If you find yourself in the area, stop by the Yuma Territorial Prison.

Old section of Yuma is nice, it was abandoned when malls were built in the surrounding area.  The strip mall there is very 1950s, wide street, angled parking, cactus and flowers in the median; too bad it's not used.

If I knew about Yuma Prison, no way in hell I'd be a bad guy!

They didn't mind locking up women.

And then there's Cat Ballou ! Lee Marvin won an Oscar for his role.

Great list but I didn't see 'There Was A Crooked Man' 1970.  Stuck with me all these years

I just read through the thread  and see lots of movies to watch again. The ones that I'll probably re-watch this week: Silverado, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, and Little Big Man.

The Outlaw Josey Wales got bumped from the list because I just saw it a couple months ago and I don't want to pay to rent it.

Thunderheart was good but I'm a fan of Graham Greene..

He did a great job as Joseph in the Mel Gibson remake of Maverick.

914Driver said:

If you find yourself in the area, stop by the Yuma Territorial Prison.

Old section of Yuma is nice, it was abandoned when malls were built in the surrounding area.  The strip mall there is very 1950s, wide street, angled parking, cactus and flowers in the median; too bad it's not used.

If I knew about Yuma Prison, no way in hell I'd be a bad guy!

They didn't mind locking up women.

There's something very similar in Deer Lodge Montana that I've been to a few times.

It actually has a good car Museum hooked to it too

In reply to ShawnG :

I forgot about Maverick, that's a great movie.

Dead man. Little bit vulgar at times. Starring Johnny Depp, Robert Mitchum and others that I do not recollect directly

EDIT

I read ahead and see who you are watching with. My dad loves this movie.

Iggy pop and gibby haynes are two more that have small roles

Adding to the list of western movies that should provide a good bit of entertainment try: "They Call Me Trinity" and its sequel "Trinity Is Still My Name".

These are very much Spaghetti Westerns, but offer some good viewing.

Lots of great suggestions in the thread... here's a couple I haven't seen mentioned yet:

The Professionals

Joe Kidd

"Gunless", very atypical pseudo-western; but there's six-guns etc, so it counts. Absolutely hilarious, so it's not a spaghetti western type. but I've watched it multiple (12?) times and love it.

Most of the early mid to late Wayne movies are fabulous, especially Sons of Katie Elder, Rooster Cogburn, True Grit, the Shootist, and a non Western that I love: The Quiet Man

Mr_Asa said:

As an aside, there were a series of Django movies in the 60s.  Roughly the same premise, I believe?  Haven't watched them, but they commonly make top 50 Western lists

There was the Tarrantino movie and the 1966 Spaghetti Western Django. Those are two different movies with different plots and the same name. The 1966 movie had several sequels. The 1966 movie is the better movie.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

There was the Tarrantino movie and the 1966 Spaghetti Western Django. Those are two different movies with different plots and the same name. The 1966 movie had several sequels. The 1966 movie is the better movie.

I like both, but would give the nod to the Tarantino flick. Fun fact: Franco Nero (the original Django) has a cameo in Django Unchained.

Also, the original Corbucci film has something like 25 sequels, most of them unofficial.

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:

SVreX (Forum Supporter) said:

Django should not be mentioned in the same thread as "family".  
 

Probably a few others. 

You aren't wrong in a traditional family but in this case my family is my wife, me and my dad so there isn't children

Good. I pictured you snuggling up with your kids and popcorn on the couch and suddenly "WTF"!!??

I will say as an adult, that Django was really disturbing to me. It's brilliant, but also horrible. 

Are you talking about the 1966 movie Django or the 2012 Tarrantino movie Django Unchained. Those are completely different movies. One is a classic spaghetti western, the other a kind of silly movie about slavery. 

Of course if you want to see a really disturbing western, check out Jodorowski's El Topo, made in 1970.